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Crash course in chemical manufacture industry - Urgently needed!
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Posted By AlB
I've been invited to an interview for employment with a Chemical manufacturing/ blending company as a Safety advisor.
I have very little experience in this industry, and I have made this clear to the potential employer, which they are OK with.
What I need is to be able to go into the interview with at least an acceptable level of theoretical knowledge, as I want to be better than any other candidate and because I WANT THIS JOB!
Can anyone recommend any sources of information (I have already begun familiarising myself with COMAH regs etc ), but I want real life examples, information, codes of practice, assessments, reports, etc etc.
I really, really want this job so any help would be absolutely fantastic.
Regards,
AlB
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Posted By The toecap
I've sent you some mail
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Posted By AlB
Thanks Toecap. Will have a look this evening.
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Posted By Descarte
working currently on a chemical manufacturing and blending site I cam say that our current issues are COSHH, PPE, FLT's, DSEAR, (not so much COMAH, we are lower tier and due to environmental not flammable / harmful), environmental releases and control of fire water on site.
Questions you could ask to seem knowledgable would be, what type of blending tdo they do, is it complex or simple additions with no reactions. Types of hazardous chemicals or substances inc dusts / powders they handle, sensitisers carcinogens, how do they control etc...
Presumable if blending there will be maybe noise issues, exposure issues so experience or knowledge of personal monitoring / exposure monitoring would be helpful.
Feel free to email me if you have any specific questions
Des
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Posted By AlB
Thanks Descarte.
The HSE website is useful, but are there any other resources in addition? I suppose I could get some BS but I can't afford to fork out a couple of hundred quid for standards etc!
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Posted By Chris Packham
Try contacting the Chemical Hazards Communication Society (CHCS.org.uk). They run some excellent starter courses on this topic as well as guides, for example to interpreting the safety data sheer. Check also ESIG (European Solvents Industry Group) website as they also have some useful information.
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Posted By jom
If the company is running a COMAH site, then what does COMAH require them to place in the public domain about their hazards and safety management?
They may be required to publish to the local community a summary of their Safety Report.
That would be useful to read. Take care to be quite open with your intentions, given current security concerns.
John.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Sorry, but I do not think that AIB should be going for this job.
If the level of competence and knowledge is so low that AIB has to ask for such basic help from this forum then there seems to be a disaster waiting to happen
Merv
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Posted By AlB
That's a fair point Merv, and I'm surprised it's taken that long to be mentioned.
However, the role is a H&S generalist, part of a larger team of H&S specialists, which include chemical and engineering safety specialists, therefore the role is more towards the general day to day evaluation and control of risks and hazards, including safety culture development etc than engineering and chemical safety. Additional training on chemical plants will be provided by the employer, but I obviously want to learn as much as I can before then, should I be offered the post.
My experience has been in a high risk industry (quarrying and manufacturing) and I'm no newby to hazardous environments - I'm a fully qualified explosives supervisor etc etc, so I have some technical understanding as well.
Hope this reduces your fears a bit Merv.
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Posted By AlB
Merv, just an addition:
Please note that I'm not asking questions such as "what's an MSDS" or "what's a COSHH assessment"! I'm after genuine reports and information from Standards and other industry sources with regards to safety in the Chemical industry. The in-depth, detailed information is what I'm after.
Unless you're suggesting that one should stay in the same Industry for his entire career and not venture into new challenges???
The way I see it is that I need information so that I can build my knowledge in another industry, and then use that knowledge in addition to my own knowledge and skills and experiences built from other industry to become a proficient and effective safety advisor.
Or am I being naive? If so, then let me know!
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt
http://www.cia.org.uk/newsite/
Useful for background and what is current in the industry.
If you have any chemical knowhow from your explosives experience consider what segregation and possible synergistic effects that could occur in what this new employer works with.
If you have never done a HAZOP read up.
Bone up on your isolation of hazardous energy, multi lock out, lock boxes etc.
Any stuff on Emergency Response Teams, how far is the site from a full time fire brigade station and 24/7 accident and emergency.
Merv's concerns were relevant, your reply is justified.
I went from a technical college to a site heavy in chemical processes as a junior guy, just had me Nebosh cert, had to start somewhere.
Jeff
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Posted By AlB
Thanks Jeff. Just what I'm after.
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Posted By Nicholas Morris
Having worked in the chemical and other maunfacturing industries and other sectors, in my experience a lot of the day to day issues are similar throughout (slips/trips/falls, manual handling etc). Its the areas that require less frequent attention that are more specialised, and these can be almost specific to the organusation
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Posted By Merv Newman
AIB
Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh. The H&S field is so wide with so many specialised/specific risks that we do tend to stay in one industry. Changing to another can be traumatic.
however, what have I done ? Chemical plants, construction, plastics, mining and quarrying, papermaking, ladies underwear, cars, trucks, bacteriology, press shops, ball bearings, stationary ...
A change is as good as a rest, as my Dad said marrying his third.
Enjoy the challenge.
Merv
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Posted By Merv Newman
A second reading of the thread leads me to go with Nicholas. In my experience the majority of accidents are not process related. Chemicals, mining or whatever. What you tend to get are the "domestic" type accidents : slips, trips and falls.
Your comment on developing a "safety culture" is probably the most important aspect of the new job.
Do please let us know if you get the job.
Merv
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Posted By AlB
Thanks Merv.
I'm actually going for the third and final interview (apparently I'm the only one according to the recruitment consultant!?), so I've obviously impressed somewehere. However, as they want another interview they obviously have some concerns somewhere, and I want to make sure that I am as prepared as can be.
I've had some good links from this discussion and finding myself being enlightened with every document I'm coming accross. One of the most interesting is reading the investigation into the Buncefield incident.
I'm crossing my fingers and toes and everything else, and I will most certainly let you know how I get on.
Thanks for all the contribution.
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Posted By Rochelle Cartmell
Hi AIB
How did you get on with your interview?
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Merv,
Is the risk assessment factor in "ladies underwear" a higher risk above the stocking lines?
Now THAT is one hell of a specialist subject for H&S professionals. i had to read Merv's list twice to make sure I was reading it correctly!
It's no wonder you're into fine wine and foreign living if you have survived that type of environment!
My hat goes off to you, sir !!
PS - Likelihood vs Severity score for a response to the question -
Does my bum look big in this ????
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Posted By AlB
Rochelle,
Interview is next week.
Merv,
Ladies underwear H&S? How the heck did you get into that? I presume that was BEFORE they were wearing them?!? :p
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Posted By AlB
Just an update for anyone interested.
Went for the third interview but didn't perform as well as I had planned and knew I could do. Failed to bring across some key points I wanted to highlight, but there we go.
Just heard that I did not get the post. I'm disapointed but understand the decision - lack of experience in Petrochemical.
But, as one opportunity closes, another one opens.
Thanks for all the information and help.
AlB
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