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#1 Posted : 17 August 2006 15:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric PD
Hi

When an recruitment agency ( Ie employer)sends a client( ie jobseeker) to a contractor , what Health and Safety precautions would be reasonably expected of the agency to ensure that the they have taken appropriate steps to ensure that they are not sending them to a dangerous job etc? Would a questionairre type approache to the contractor form the agency be suitable ?

Also in a court of law in the event of an accident to the agency worker , what are the proportions ( roughly speaking ) of liability between agency and employer of the agency staff where the accident happened??

Any ideas?

ERic
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#2 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Dickson
Eric,

The agency should have a reasonable idea from their client (the host employer) of the risks the employee will be subject to. If this is not stated the agency should make enquiries. Their client has a duty to the employee, and should provide an induction, including information on risk control measures when the employee starts work for them. This is covered in the ACOP for the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regs.

This has all been tested in court but I can’t recall the balance of liability, although I’m sure the case I’m thinking of resulted in prosecution of both companies. The balance of liability is only relevant in civil actions.

Hope that helps.

Ken
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#3 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
you would have to send a 'trained and copetent'person with the PPE he needs.

If the client asks for aa MEWP / Fork lift driver then no use sendung general labour etc. You should supply a pesron who would satisfy the clients requiremets and these should be spelled out by the client.

Not forgettting if its construction dont forget a CSCS card!!!
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#4 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Dickson
Eric,

I take all that back. I’ve just noted you are talking about a recruitment agency, sorry.

The agency has no particular H&S duty regarding the appointment of the employee. It is the employer who must satisfy themselves of the suitability of a candidate prior to appointment.

Sorry for the mix up.

Ken
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#5 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus
Hello Eric, for the 1st paragraph the employer (the agency) has a duties under the HASAWA Act 74.

An employer may incur liability for h & s in two ways,

1 the employer is personnally liable for accidents which result from the acts or omission of the employer
2. the employer is vicariously liable for accidents which result from acts or omissions of his or her employees. This liability may extend under common law to the payment of compensation to injured employees

Employers safety duties are owed to the emeployee personnally. If employers put an employee into the hands of another they are entrusting the safety performance of their duties to that other person.

The employer remains liable for the proper performance of those duties.

hope this is of some help
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#6 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric PD
Ken

I was ok with you first post and your second has confused me. ! let me clarify

I am talking about what precautions a recruitment agency should take before they send someone to work for a 3rd party employer. ? As the agency effectively pay the wages of the employer ( and receive a payment from their client), what duty is owed?

Are you saying that they have no duty to the people who they pay to work for their clients???

Intersting point about the PPE issue too ( last but one thread) , I didnt realise that recruitment agencies should provide PPE before they send people to work. Is this correct? Surley it is the duty of the 3rd party to ensure that people they employ have correct PPE for any particular environment.

Eric
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#7 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric PD
Thanks salus, i appreciate that agencies do have a duty under HSWA, I was more intersted in the practical application of this duty and what measures an agency could reasonably be expected to carry out to ensure it doesnt harm or injur the people it sends out on jobs.

Any ideas??

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#8 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Dickson
Ah-ha!

I think what you have there Eric is an employment agency providing temporary staff, not a recruitment agency. In which case go with my first reply.

Ken
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#9 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric PD
Ken

sorry to over confuse the issue. I am talking about an agency that provides a mixture of temp and contracted staff. Your first email now makes sense! What about this PPE issue??? Any ideas?
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#10 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
The agency is responsible for providing the PPE
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#11 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Dickson
Eric,

The provision of PPE (technically) is the duty of the employer, but this arrangement introduces a confusion over who the employer is. The best test of employer in this instance is identifying a master / servant relationship. This would not be the agency. If the agency provides someone to work on a construction site without ensuring they have the basic PPE that would be required, yes they may be negligent. But if they are providing an individual to work in an environment that requires the use of breathing apparatus, it would not be reasonable for the employee to provide his own. Nor would it be expected that the agency would provide it. These issues should be dealt with by agreement, but the agency has a duty to ensure that their client is providing the protection for the employee as far as was agreed.

(Unless you know different.)

Hope that helps a bit.

Ken
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#12 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus
Eric, you could have a look at,
1. the nature of the clients business
2. H & S policy / Insurance details
3. safety guys name & contact number
4. any risk assessment for the work to be undertaken
5. any safety training the client undertakes
6. are they memmbers of any trade or prof. org's
7. what safety inspections are carried out
8. welfare facilities
9. first aid, fire and any other emergency procedures
10. any unusual hazards
11. site rules / restrictions
12. lines of responsibility in the clients org.
13. security arrangements
these are some you could use, others may provide additional catergories
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#13 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric PD
So its a sometimes they do sometimes they dont situation!.. i am being flippant there, and i do understand where you are coming from. Like most H&S it boils down to common sense.

many thanks

eric
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#14 Posted : 17 August 2006 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric PD
excellent salos, thank you. I knew we would get there in the end!
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#15 Posted : 17 August 2006 17:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Stewart
To clarify no difference between Employment Agency and Recruitment agency - this relates to the supply of people to be paid by the client directly, the Agency charges a one off fee.

If the Agency is payrolling the worker then the relationship becomes that off an Employment Business.

If the realtionship is that of Employment Agency there is no H&S responsibility on the Recruitment Company.

If the relationship is that of an Employment Business the Recruitment Company not directly responsible for H&S (assuming they have checked the candidates work history, qualification and traning) although must ensure that the client has done an RA and they must be made aware of any workplace accidents.

Responsibility for provision of PPE falls on the Recruitment Company.

Hope this helps

Richard Stewart (MREC)
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#16 Posted : 17 August 2006 18:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By David S Burt
Eric

To answer your question with specific regard to civil liability, I would suggest that you review the case of Hawley v Luminar Leisure Ltd, ASE Security Services Ltd, David Preston Mann [2006] EWCA Civ 18.

In this case reference was made to ‘ the temporary deemed employer’ – a phrase used in the leading authority of Mersey Docks Harbour Board v Coggins & Griffiths [1946) 2 All ER 345.

You may also wish to read the case of Viasystems (Tyneside) Ltd v Thermal Transfers (Northern) Ltd [2005] EWCA Civ 1151, which permits the court to find dual vicarious liability between defendants.

Happy reading
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#17 Posted : 17 August 2006 19:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safetynut
The conduct of employment Agencies & Employment Businesses Regulations 2003 that came into force in april 2004 requires employment agencies to obtain, from companies who wish to hire its workers, information regarding the identified health & safety risks.

The regulations require the agency to ensure that the hirer has carried out a formal risk assessment for the work to be carried out by the work seeker, in order for that information can be supplied to the worker before commencing the work.

i hope this helps
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#18 Posted : 18 August 2006 08:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Stewart
Safetynut,

Thanks for quoting the Conduct Regs, the phrase "Employment Business" should be used in relation to assignments where the Recruiter is payrolling the Temp. You used "Employment Agency" this only relates to Recruiters acting only as introducers. In this case their is no H&S responsibility.

For everyone who are using Recruiters your contract with them will determine the nature of the relationship you have.

Regards,

Richard
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