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Posted By Andy Walker Without really wanting to start an everybody picks on us/H&S pettyness thread I've just had the following discussion with a work collegue.
A relative of his is in hospital after suffering a stroke. When he visited last night there was a notice above the bed stating "Due to Health and Safety Regulations only 3 items may be placed on the bedside cabinet" and signed by the ward administrator.
As his relative had a water jug, glass, heart monitor and a box of tissues, the tissues had to be removed.
Could anybody enlighten me as to which Regulation has been breached?
Please discuss
Andy
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Posted By JEB Andy
I think that this is another case of H&S going OTT or used as the excuse for petty rules that the HSE are trying to eliminate by their latest initiative. Although it is a stressful time for your colleague I would suggest that he asks to see the risk assessment justifying this ridiculous rule.
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Posted By Lilian McCartney I think they mean local procedure rather than a specific regulation which is often a common misconception. To me it seems strange to have a limit on the actual number of items but having recently been in hospital and noticing how difficult it is for staff to clean locker tops with loads of stuff on I can see why they've decided on something like this (though it doesn't sound too practical). When I was in hospital I had, two lots of lowers, pot plant, hankies, loads of cards etc. Water and jug were on table. I removed the floweres to the window sill and changed the cards to three/four a day - to help the cleaner as they were very busy. I would have thought they should have a bit of room for change as hankies needed as other stuff is as well. It's not as if it was a load of unneccesary things
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Posted By IT JEB,
Good call it is easy for some just to say its health and safety ,rather than its to hard to deal with.
Ask for the Risk Assessment ,I some how don't think you will see or get one.
And if it does exsist really then it is well OTT and no wonder we get a bad name
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Posted By Salus Hi Andy, probally not instigated by the actual people at the "coal face"
More likely by senior management who do not know what they are doing (e.g. lack of training / experiance)but have had a lot of input from others involved in the wards procedures. They then justify their actions by quoting H & S; nothing specific. Most employees already have a negative attitude towards H & S, have very limited knowledge of H & S so will not question but believe them.
Honest i am not that old but there was a qoute from the First World War which sort of reminds me of situations like this, "Lions led by Donkeys"
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Posted By Brett Day
Sounds like more of a hygiene issue than H&S but it's a convenient tag to lump it under. I know some hospital have a no flowers rule for hygiene and allergy reasons.
But as IT says ask for the risk assessment, chances are there isn't one.
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Posted By Mick Day You guys are not up to date on your H & S.
This is a clear and blatant breach of the "No more than 3 items on a Hospital Bedside Table Regulations 2000 ( As amended a further 27 times ) by the Silly People from the Silly Policies Division of the National Assembly of Regional Health Authorities.
Hope this gives you the answer you were looking for.
You may wish to use this in any NEBOSH exam as the answer they search for the question they give may score several points.
I also ask the question, were any of the articles classed as work equipment ...........? PUWER being brought into play. Suitable and Sufficient..........., or something on those lines................!
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Posted By John Murgatroyd Perhaps if you had to move each item and clean the unit under it, after first having to put-on a new pair of "gloves" and then removing the anti-bacterial "wipe" from its container, you may understand a little of the many problems that hospitals now have. Each item in the ward, and visitors are an item along with all the sundries that people insist on brining, is another infection risk. I think you have a few problems betwen yourselves that need sorting: Hospital H&S is dramatically more H&S than office or workshop.
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Posted By Brett Day
John
Fair point but why not explain as the hospitals I have been to have said - Due to Hygiene and allergy reasons. It's a lot more honest and explains the thinking behind the ban rather than it's elf n safety.
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Posted By Andy Walker Thanks everybody for your responses. I'll pass them on to my collegue. I fully understand the hygene issues raised but as mentioned why not state the real reason rather hide behind health and safety as usual.
Mick I think your comment will make his day.
Andy
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