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Posted By The toecap
I require a little guidance. We are working in domestic properties in which we install kitchens. This involves the disconnection of the gas cooker. However, in order that we re install the cooker we have to ensure, under corgi regs that the tenant has all the instructions and literature with it. More often than not they don't. So we have to place a notice o the coker and inform the tenant that this may be dangerous to reconnect. We therefore are leaving the tenant without a means to heat food, although some have a microwave. Anybody got any ideas on this.
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Posted By gham
Toe cap
To quote L56
If a gas installer discovers an unsafe gas appliance, the user and, if
different, the owner of the appliance (in rented accommodation, the landlord;
or managing agent, where the landlord is absent or has entrusted the agent to
deal with gas safety matters on his behalf) should be informed, in writing, diat
the appliance is unsafe and that continued use is an offence. The installer
should seek to persuade the user/owner to allow them to repair or disconnect
the appliance but the installer has no legal power to take such action if the
user/owner disagrees. If consent for such action is not obtained, the appliance
should be suitably labelled as being unsafe and that continued use is an
offence; with the agreement of the responsible person, the appliance shut-off
device (if one is fitted) should be closed. Irrespective of any action taken by
the gas installer, the obligation rests on the responsible person(s) not to use, or allow the use of any unsafe gas appliance.
So your only doing what you can. At the end of the day the appliance is safe to use, the only issue is unsafe use. Can you get a hold of the instructions, A lot a Manf. website have the instructions and technical data etc.
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Posted By The toecap
Thanks Gham.
What about the responsible person. Who is this in my case?
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Posted By gham
to quote Gas Safety (Installation and Use)
Regulations 1998
Regulation 2
"the responsible person", in relation to any premises, means the occupier of the
premises or, where there is no occupier or the occupier is away, the owner of the
premises or any person with authority for the time being to take appropriate action in
relation to any gas fitting therein;
So who ever is giving the instructions from the top of the PM Chain, e.g. the ultimate client
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Toecap
Quote from the regs
"Any person who installs a gas appliance shall leave for the use of the owner or occupier of the premises in which the appliance is installed all instructions provided by the manufacturer accompanying the appliance".
If you install an appliance and fail to provide the instructions you have committed the offence not the occupier. However there is nothing in the regs that I can find that deems the lack of instructions to be a determinant of whether a appliance is unsafe. Given this your installers are potentially depriving people of the means of cooking or heating without lawful cause.
Bob
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Posted By AL
Toecap,
Surely this applies to new installation appliances and not the reconnection of one you have just disconnected. The occupier will already know how to use it! I think the regulations refer to the first fix of the appliance.
AL
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Posted By Bill Bircham
Toecap,
We had the same issue a while ago, sought guidance from HSE, where you’re talking about the std bayonet type fitting where you undo it, install kitchen, re install it, but don’t touch in any way at all any pipework, then It’s ok.
You may want to check with your local HSE as this may not be anything more than a Local HSE interpretation, let me know if you get a different answer!
Bill
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Posted By Ken Taylor
I too believe that the intention of the law was for application to first installation (new or otherwise) but not to reconnection at the same location. It would seem prudent, however, to provide some sort of statement to the effect that the appliace should only be operated in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions. An HSE response on this would be welcome.
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