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#1 Posted : 06 September 2006 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw.
Hi, thoughts, views and legal position if possible re the practice of night clubs, primarily used by young people, in turning off cold water in toilets thus allowing them to charge over the top prices for bottled water to the young people.

ta.
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#2 Posted : 06 September 2006 16:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham
appart from the fact that they should have drinking water at the bar as well as water for cleaning glasses

this is a great money making scam.

It's nice to see that there are people out there that are happy to rip off folk who are trying to be sensible, bet the water is as of not more expensive than the beer!

Speak to the beer and pub association for guidance, they have a web site
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#3 Posted : 06 September 2006 16:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Dickson
Jack,

The trade association mention above is a good idea.

From memory, I think they would be breaking the law on at least two points.

Ken
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#4 Posted : 06 September 2006 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By BeSafe
Jackw,
Have a look at a copy of the Safer Clubbing Guide (published by Home Office and freely available on the internet.) http://www.drugs.gov.uk/...safer-clubbing-guide.pdf
Page 22 covers drinking water.
I am not an expert on licensing law although the supply of free drinking water can be a condition of a licence, but in my view, clubs that pull the old tricks of switching off the drinking water, turning off the air conditioning and charging £2 for a bottle of water are asking for trouble as a few 999 calls and ambulance attendances are only going to bring their establishment to the attention of the authorities.
Unfortunately, these sort of venues aren't usually the type to have a health and safety team!
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#5 Posted : 07 September 2006 09:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Midlake
Not an answer but a question along the same lines.

Can a resturant refuse to serve free tap water and force you to buy the mineral stuff? I was recently turned down when I asked for a free refill of my own water bottle at a zoo cafe.

Midlake.
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#6 Posted : 07 September 2006 13:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap
I beleive, that as part of a clubs license there should be a supply of readily available clean drinking water. However this need s confirming
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#7 Posted : 07 September 2006 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Are you at work - NO! - Then no requirement!!
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#8 Posted : 07 September 2006 22:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Brunskill
All,

It is a often a condition of the PEL and or licence for a premise that a wholesome supply of freely available water is available. The Public Entertainment Licence is held by the local authority and I believe a matter of public record. If you have concerns then I would try them first. I believe the licence is issued by a Magistrates Court and is legally binding. The Licensing Authority have the power to revoke the lcence in circumstances where conditions are not being met. I believe the Police may also have powers in this respect but may have to apply to the courts first.

Regards

Tony
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#9 Posted : 07 September 2006 23:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster
In most clubs, use of Ecstasy is now commonplace. Most kids know to drink lots and lots of water to avoid dangerous side effects. Cutting off the water is just asking for trouble.
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#10 Posted : 08 September 2006 08:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham
Nice one dave not quite.

My Bro is in the pub game and advises that this is usually a requirement of the licencing board. (in scotland/glasgow)

Licencing (Scotland) Act 2005

Sched3.Section 9 (1) The conditions specified in this paragraph apply only to the extent that the premises licence authorises the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises.

(2) Tap water fit for drinking must be provided free of charge on request.

(3) Other non-alcoholic drinks must be available for purchase at a reasonable price


Licenced premises may get into some major grief if they cannot supply drinking water.

I would check with the licencing board directly, it seems that there is a difference in opinion here with no real confimation!
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