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#1 Posted : 13 September 2006 11:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charles Robinson Tech SP
The regulatory reform fire safety order comes into effect on the first of October having been delayed from the first of April see.

http://www.communities.g...02882&PressNoticeID=2057

and
http://www.communities.g...02882&PressNoticeID=2089

This delay was caused by the guidance notes not being ready in time yet only just over 2 weeks away several guidance notes are not yet ready

9 Outdoor events
10 Healthcare premises
11 Transport premises and facilities

any comments?
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#2 Posted : 13 September 2006 22:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever
Yep.

Generally most of the currently published guidance documents only reiterate what was already available before. I would imagine the same applies to the so far unpublished guidance documents. The guidance notes are just that - guidance. Nothing prescriptive. The RR(FS)O is about functional requirements such as ensuring that there is adequate means of escape or ensuring there is adequate means for giving warning in case of fire. The basic principles in the existing documents can still give guidance in those premises where the guidance has not been published. The guidance documents are aimed at persons who are unfamiliar with fire safety requirements and are generally intended to assist those carrying out assessments on relatively low risk workplaces. Where the workplaces are more complex or high risk then the guidance notes may not be sufficient and further advice ought to be sought from elsewhere.
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#3 Posted : 14 September 2006 08:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By DFP
Hi,

Have the Fire Safety Law guidance info been created for Scotland?
The link provided shows lots of useful info, but not for us poor Scot's.....

Thanks in advance
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#4 Posted : 14 September 2006 08:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Jones
Hi DFP,

I went to a seminar in Stirling a couple of months ago where the "south of the border" RRFSO was outlined in some detail (if that's not an oxymoron!), but the position with our legislation was, at that time, still very unclear due to a lot of internal wranglings in various organisations directly involved in laying the foundations of the legislation.

The seminar presenters agreed with my observations that, in preparation, if I look to the English/Welsh legislation as a framework for what to do/not do, the basics will be covered.

Not much help in specifics but something to consider.

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#5 Posted : 14 September 2006 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
For Scotland
If you go to

www.scotland.gov.uk

put in fire guidance in the search box and you get the lot!

The guidance for Care Homes has just come out, offices etc a few weeks ago.

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#6 Posted : 14 September 2006 11:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By DJ
Charles,

One error in your posting. The 'Healthcare' guidance (10) for hospitals is not yet available.

Regards.

DJ
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#7 Posted : 14 September 2006 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charles Robinson Tech IOSH
That is the point there are 3 guidance notes that are not yet ready, most of the guidance is similar the 3 that are missing could be more relevent Ie healthcare, transport and open air venues.
note the reason for the first delay in implimenting the RRO extract below

Despite extensive work with stakeholders it is clear that all the guidance documents will not be ready for a full 12 week gap between publication and coming into force on 1 April 2006.


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#8 Posted : 19 September 2006 01:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By ivorfire
I believe that Parliment only set the target of 8 of the guides and not the whole 11 guides.

Much have been said about the guides, but it may be worth stating the fundalemental princple, that the guides are basically designed for the responsible persons (RP)of small to medium sized busniess enough information for the RP to decide if they are doing the fire risk assessment or get some one else in, to do it.

Larger businesses and usually more complex buildings etc and will probably use existing arangements for fire risk assessments. Nothing therefore changes?

When examining the guides it is also worth remebering that the industry standards will also be applicable as referenced in the rear of the guides. Therefore, e.g. for fire alarm sysems BS 5839 will still be the bench mark. Likewise for healthcare premises HTM's etc will apply. (Once all these are issued). And of course the old familar Approved Document B will still be about.

As an "enforcer", I would not loose too much sleep over the slow to appear guides, unlike me who is now going to bed!!!

Hope this helps.
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#9 Posted : 19 September 2006 17:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin J Morley
I'm glad to see that it is now so definite that the introduction is spoken of in the past tense:

New fire safety rules affecting all non-domestic premises in England and Wales came into force on 1 October 2006. If you are:
responsible for business premises
an employer or self-employed with business premises
a charity or voluntary organisation
a contractor with a degree of control over any premises
...then you need to act now to ensure you have a suitable and sifficient reisk assessment in place. See our series of guides or the online self-assessment form on the Fire Gateway website


Actually the Fire Gateway site looks rather good.

We may not be concerned about standards on our chat forum, but here?

martin j morley
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