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#1 Posted : 29 September 2006 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By JAI Question Following the HSE Riddor definitions of an accident What would a welders flash come under (Arc Eye) Thoughts Please would help settle a little friday debate Jai
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#2 Posted : 29 September 2006 11:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By tony_s I think the only thing it could fall under is an over-3-day injury. Would someone be off work or unable to their normal job for more than 3 days due to arc-eye?
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#3 Posted : 29 September 2006 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By JAI Iam looking for the type of accident for example leg injury from slip, trip, fall Arc Eye from ????? just a thought would it be contact with a harmful substance (Radiation) Jai
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#4 Posted : 29 September 2006 12:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By tony_s Arc-eye is due to exposure to UV radiation. I must be a bit dense, but I can't see where RIDDOR comes into it.
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#5 Posted : 29 September 2006 12:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M How about tempoary loss of sight? Under RIDDOR this is a reportable.
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#6 Posted : 29 September 2006 12:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By JEB Harmful, Yes; Substance, debatable, I would say not in the context normally used. Surely you can just enter "another kind of accident" and describe in part G
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#7 Posted : 29 September 2006 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Phillips If the 'arc eye' leads to a loss of sight, either temporary or permanent, then it is reportable as a major injury. (RIDDOR Schedule 1) Glyn
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#8 Posted : 29 September 2006 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By tony_s The RIDDOR for exposure to a harmful substance is: Loss of consciousness caused by asphysia or by exposure to a harmful substance or biological agent. I would say the simple fact is that arc-eye is not a major injury under RIDDOR. I've had arc-eye many years ago and it feels like you have grit in your eyes but it didn't cause loss of sight.
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#9 Posted : 29 September 2006 12:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stanley Ikeh JAI, Can you consider eye-flash to Ultra Violet Rediation. Understandable, welding activities are complex in the sense that other toxic substances emmited from different welding processing is enormous. So just as fall is to slip, arc-flash from welding is UV Radiation. I.Stanley
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#10 Posted : 29 September 2006 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M Question Following the HSE RIDDOR definitions of an accident What would a welder’s flash come under (Arc Eye?) Thoughts Please Would help settle a little Friday debate Jai Just to remind other members of the original question that I am answering. Others appear to have ventured elsewhere!! Did the person deliberately stand there to get arch eye? If no them it was not planned or intended, therefore it is an accident. Is the accident reportable under RIDDOR which stands for Reporting of Injuries Diseases and Dangerous Occurrences? Read RIDDOR and it may be that due to this accident that the IP has been off work for more than 3 continual days due to the injury sustained and/or couldn’t return to normal work or could have developed a temporary loss of sight due to the accident which is also reportable under RIDDOR. There, that wasn’t difficult.
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#11 Posted : 29 September 2006 13:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By JEB There, that wasn’t difficult. Rather a sharp comment, James, Remember this is a chat forum where we all have to come at sometime for assistance or help.
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#12 Posted : 29 September 2006 13:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M Correct!! It’s a chat forum for health and safety professionals (allegedly)
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#13 Posted : 29 September 2006 13:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By tony_s James Well done, you've just repeated what's already been stated before. There, that wasn’t difficult.
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#14 Posted : 29 September 2006 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By JAI Thanks for all the replies It wasn’t meant to be difficult; it was about finding out what category this type of accident would fall under, As i use the same group of accidents that the HSE do. Keeps all the information the same even when it is a minor injury In future if it doesn’t fit the prescribed box, I will log it as “Another type of accident” Now don’t turn this thread on it’s head Once again Thank you Jai
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#15 Posted : 29 September 2006 14:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M Tony you stated 'I think the only thing it could fall under is an over-3-day injury'. I have suggested that it also may be reportable as temporary loss of sight.
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#16 Posted : 29 September 2006 14:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By tony_s James Yes I did state that I thought it could only be an over-3-day because I don't believe that arc-eye leads to loss of sight. Others then went on to discuss the loss of sight.
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#17 Posted : 29 September 2006 14:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Thompson CMIOSH Just to realy throw the cat amongst the pigeoens,and having been the victim of many an over three day crawly about on the floor , teary eyed flash. a severe flash actually burns the eyeball as in a severe sunburn causing blisters. Perhaps catagorising it as a burn in these instances would al;so be appropriate. Discuss.
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#18 Posted : 29 September 2006 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By JAI Thanks Bob Thats my point, is it a burn or exposed to harmful substances or is it caused from an electrical discharge to settle the argument above the guy had no time off work, he never even whent home Nice weekend Jai
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#19 Posted : 29 September 2006 15:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By edwin If you have a quick google for arc-eye, it says it is Keratitis which, in the case of arc-eye, is inflammation of the cornea. Doesn't say burn. It's caused by UV radiation not electrical discharge. I would record the injury as arc-eye; due to 'other', not exposure to on the form
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#20 Posted : 29 September 2006 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By edwin sorry pressed the wrong button - I wouldn't say it was exposure to hazardous substance.... But that's just my opinion, and I wouldn't worry because I doubt whether it happens too often - or does it?
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#21 Posted : 29 September 2006 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Radiation is not a substance but a physical agent; any classification of the injury as involving a substance is, therefore, inappropriate. Paul
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