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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Hi all,
I have been having a bit of a battle with our facilities manager about evacuation of disabled persons in the event of a fire. The current arrangements are that any disabled person is taken to a safe point (next to a goods lift which is apparently a fireman's lift) to await rescue by the fire service.
My contention is this is our responsibility and we should have arrangements in place to evacuate disabled person such as evac chairs, etc. It is accepted that each disabled person should have a PEEP, but this generally wait to be rescued.
Can anyone give me any more information on this topic please.
Bob.
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Posted By Jim Walker
This has been debated here quite recently with some good answers, suggest you search the forum.
The upshot it is your responsibility to rescue.
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Posted By Michael
Is the lift a fire protected zone/area ?? if not another method of evacuation would need to be put in place within the Fire Risk Assessment.
A protected stairwell with 1 hr fire protection is a more suitable option. Again this is required to be detailed within your Fire Risk Assessment and all person trained accordingly to a suitable standard.
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Posted By Derek Housley
The issue is addressed in British Standard 5588 part 8. I confirm that it is a management responsibility to put in place suitable and sufficient arrangements to get disabled persons out of the premises
As a rule it is good practice that where a lift is installed a disabled evacuation chair should be provided and staff trained in its use at the same time. The only possible exceptions to this would be where horizontal evacuation is used or where the building has been built on a slope!
Refuges are temporary holding areas where disabled are mustered for a short period, while management arrange for there evacuation from the building.
The Fire Brigade upon arrival should be told that the disabled persons are being assisted out of the building. The Brigade can then concentrate their efforts on fighting the fire.
Disabled persons and their evacuation from fire, will no doubt be a significasnt finding and recorded as such under your fire risk assessment made under the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005, which came into force on 1st October 2006. The PEEP ( personal emergency evacuation plan) may well assist.
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Posted By Ken Taylor
There is still confusion over the terms 'rescue' and 'evacuate'. It's the employer's responsibility to have a plan that includes assisting persons to escape in the event of fire if they need assistance. The fire brigade attempt to rescue persons trapped in burning buildings. As stated above refuges are for temporary use whilst assistance is awaited as planned by the employer/building management.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Thanks to everyone who responded. You have confirmed my view. The facilities manager will now be told to accept the fact that the responsibility rests with the employer and the fire service is not to be relied upon to evacuate disabled people. The lesson will be learned.
Thanks
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Posted By DJ
Bob,
I am afraid I agree with the other responses, the upshot is that it is now the "Responsible Person's" (usually the employer's) duty to ensure everybody can be evacuated safely from its premises.
Where people have to be left, in accordance with the 'Guidance', they should be left in a 'Refuge' which has a minimum of 1 hour fire resistance and importantly, they must be accompanied by a member of staff.
As any insurance policy is issued on the basis of ubermae fides (in the upmost faith), it is also likely to be a condition of the employers fire insurance, that the insurer is informed that in the event of a fire people will be left. This is likely to lead to a rise in fire insurance premiums.
Regards.
DJ
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