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#1 Posted : 09 October 2006 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82 Last week an armed group kidnapped foreign oil workers in Eket Southeast Nigeria. Nigeria has been a volatile place to work for a while now and Safety Professionals are now charging from £700 a day to perform their duties. Would you risk it?
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#2 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve B £700 per day, I could be the richest H&S adviser in the Graveyard. Answer: if they are charging that much the risks must be high. Personally I would no take that risk Regards SB
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#3 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte we've got and have had people working over there on various installations for years. I would and am considering this. TBH this for 1 year could actually help put me on the property market as atm I dont stand a chance of getting a morgage
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#4 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rachel G If you look at the daily rate of a professional consultant this isn't actually that high.
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#5 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82 Rachel - These are starting rates. Specialists are also requesting business class travel, the highest level of secure accommodation and generous leave allowance/rotations. Still not sure if it's worth the risk though.
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#6 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By GJB JM, You have to live on the edge sometimes! Go on, be a devil!
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#7 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82 GJB - Stop trying to get rid of me!!
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#8 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By GJB And why would I want to do that?! Take care!
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#9 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dee It is worth bearing in mind that in relation to the number of people working in these 'high-risk' areas the incident of this happening is low. I think it comes down to personal choice as long as you are going in with your eyes wide open then you know the risks. I travel overseas, the majority of places I would consider going to, some I don't but it has to be said the enthusiasm for learning and improving H&S is extremely rewarding and worthwhile when you compare it to the British worker (just my own opinion) You are also having all your expenses covered, plus an allowance so your actual daily money you aren't touching, you can see the attraction. Dee
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#10 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob T Some of us actually do this type of work for a living. Someone has to do it! As for the money aspect - it tends to go up or down depending on your own personal security risk assessment. It must also be remembered that most of us who do freelance H&S work in these types of environment cannot get life insurance (I have been quoted £10,000 per week for work in Afghanistan!) so the wages need to reflect that. £700 per day is not actually a lot of money if you are being shot at every day!
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#11 Posted : 09 October 2006 13:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Adams Try telling that to a Royal Marine.
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#12 Posted : 09 October 2006 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By GJB We all have choice of occupation however. And you weigh up those risks if it is something you really want to do.
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#13 Posted : 09 October 2006 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt Would you? In a New York minute. We can start as soon as I can get broadband in to "tele induct" the employees from here.
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#14 Posted : 09 October 2006 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp This is a 'classic' risk perception question, all the more so, because it involves those who should have a good knowledge of risk. Personally, I would not risk it at £700 per day. That said, everyone has their price - me included. Ray
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#15 Posted : 09 October 2006 15:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe May I say (along with previous contributor) that i know a lot of people doing a lot more there and in other places for a damn site less who would snatch your hand off for £700 a day!
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#16 Posted : 09 October 2006 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82 Thanks for all your responses.
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#17 Posted : 09 October 2006 15:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By GJB So come on, JM, why did you want to know? Have you been offered a position out there? Personally I can think of easier ways to earn £700 a day! But again, as I said earlier, we all have our choices to make! If you do go for it, then I know you'll give your all, which is all anyone can ask! Stick your chest out and be proud to be British! Take care!
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#18 Posted : 09 October 2006 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap I'd go for it. But maybe i'd only do a year
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#19 Posted : 09 October 2006 15:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82 I simply asked because I've been talking to some Candidates of mine about work in Nigeria. I've heard conflicting stories, some say you feel safe and they enjoyed it, others would never return. GJB - I'm not off anywhere, I love Essex too much (TIC)!
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#20 Posted : 09 October 2006 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I'm not getting out of bed just for £700 (plus expenses) If you are going to Nigeria remember that before you get to the plane you will not have a penny of cash on you. You'll be lucky to still have your wallet. And your back teeth. Merv
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#21 Posted : 09 October 2006 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By mbarrett No I wouldn't My other half has worked off shore all over the world from the congo, south china sea, Saudi etc, etc and the only place in the whole world he absolutely refuses to work (no matter how much they offer) is Nigeria, the country is unstable and corruption runs from top to bottom - personal safety is not guaranteed. He is an adrenalin junkie however he still sees the risk as too great. I wonder how many people saw Clive Anderson visit the country a few years ago he ended up in a very small prison cell for several days and that was with a full BBC entourage!
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#22 Posted : 09 October 2006 17:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dee JM82, I would have to agree with Merv and mbarrett Nigeria is the one place I wouldn't go. Clients of mine have had to pack the equipment they ship out there with things like coffee and sugar just so they will nick that instead of the equipment. The guys who were kidnapped are local to my area and for those who are interested in the local paper tonight it would seem they are on the brink of being released. Apparently the kidnappers want a ransom of £21 million but it is not known whether any money has or will be paid. These guys were actually kidnapped within the 'safe' compound. The particular area (Niger Delta) has seen intensified fighting in the region growing and one major operator shut down a 9,000 barrels-a-day oil platform on Friday and started flying staff out. Must be serious.....oil platforms don't shut down unplanned for anything! Dee
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#23 Posted : 09 October 2006 17:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By B Smart Good thread JM82, If anyone does consider taking the risk of going to work in Nigeria, leave your credit cards at home and ask the employing Company if they have a 'Kidnap insurance Policy' which will help protect you should you be unlucky enough to be kidnapped. However don't forget the first step on the hierarchy of control, Eliminate the hazard (i.e. don't go) Good luck either way B. Smart
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#24 Posted : 10 October 2006 12:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian John Abbs The question has to be asked, exactly whom is paying £700 per day? Shell, Exel? Surely a good H+S consultant in petrochem could get a reasonable rate in Aberdeen. I am reminded of job discussions with a leading international engineering consultancy 2 years ago (wont mention names). The offer was £1000 per day to go to Iraq. I would have taken it too, if I hadn't been shown an execution video by a colleague some time before. That sort of remuneration is attractive, especially for those of us that are trying to get on the property ladder, seeking experience etc.
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#25 Posted : 11 October 2006 17:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By G-man I would honestly jump at the chance. Not really for money, but for the experience. I have always, from the very start of my working life, had an incredible urge to work somewhere different/ somewhere other people percieve as dangerous. So if this post is a motive to seek people that would, then yes i would and send me an email. Cheers
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#26 Posted : 11 October 2006 17:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman G-man try Watford. Or even Mill End (known, when I was living there, as the "Tiger bay" of Hertfordshire) Do not go to a conflict country. I've done it just a few times and they were never happy and relaxed visits. I've done the armed convoy. I've seen the bombed out trucks. And the tourists murdered for their 4x4. Listen to Rob-T. Suppose someone puts a gun to your head and says "gimme your bullet proof vest" (happened to an ITV (?) reporter) Are you going to show them your risk assessment ? Merv (about to dive into the mini-bar. Again)
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#27 Posted : 11 October 2006 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By GJB G-Man... You want danger.. Come and try my wife's cooking! I live with it constantly! (About to duck)!
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#28 Posted : 11 October 2006 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Ellis I suggest you read the book "don't tell mum i work on the oil rigs" (I think). Nigeria is the only place he visited/worked and vowed never to return, if you read this book you'll undrstand why!
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#29 Posted : 11 October 2006 18:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By G-man I'll give your wife's cooking ago as well, there no chance its as bad as my partners. In all seriousness I have read all the horror stories, seen the videos, looked at the pictures, and still would jump at the chance, hell even for a 6 month contract to potentially satisfy my urge. I have a friend who is currently out in Lebanon working on rebuilding the place and loves it, (and his wife loves the pay he cant spend, tut tut silly man) I missed out on that opportunity, i will await the next chance to jump at.
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#30 Posted : 12 October 2006 14:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By G-man Dispointed not to get any emails from any danger job providers from my previous posts HAHA
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#31 Posted : 12 October 2006 14:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phillipe Merv The only time Watford is dangerous is when it is full of us Luton Town fans...I hate the colour yellow !
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#32 Posted : 12 October 2006 14:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By G-man Being a resident of Nottingham for the past 6 years i have become accustomed to dangers far greater than that of Watford. Mainly Chavs, Gangsters, Drunks and Chavs/Drunks with gun/knifes. Watford? Pah
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#33 Posted : 12 October 2006 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By JM82 G-Man! Rebecca should have contacted you via email.
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#34 Posted : 12 October 2006 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Well alright, I emigrated from watford about 20 years ago. Maybe it's calmed down a bit with me not being there. I was always amused that the vicarage road grounds were immediately adjacent to a hospital, with another within 500 yards (quaintly known as the Peace) and the isolation hospital within a mile. You had to go about 20 miles to find a "mental" ward. I repeat. Do not go to a Conflict country. Your life there will be nasty, brutish and, probably, short. There I go talking about my love life again. Merv
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#35 Posted : 12 October 2006 16:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By GJB Merv, I've played a few times at Vicarage road and what used to annoy me was that damned hospital... Always cast a shadow after about 4pm across most of the ground! Sooo annoying!! Take care!
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#36 Posted : 12 October 2006 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By mbarrett The best advice I can give to anyone thinking of travelling to foreign parts is google Foreign Office then go to travel advice by country and select your country of choice. (By the way Nigeria makes for pretty grim reading)
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#37 Posted : 12 October 2006 18:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Ellis Found the book-Don't tell mum I work on the oil rigs... she thinks i'm a piano player in a whorehouse. by Paul Carter. A bit of a mouthfull but an excellent read.
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#38 Posted : 12 October 2006 19:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kelvin George You lot who would go into a well know corrupt and very dangerous country just because the money is good should not be safety professionals. You are like some Governments of the world who will attack a country run by a despot just because it is sitting on oil. Whereas will leave other just as bad countries alone because they don't have oil. Personally I wouldn't go to Nigeria, thieving bunch of scoundrels - that just being the customs officials at the airport, leave alone all the other officials lining their own pockets. To anyone out there who goes then to your next of kin I give my sincerest condolences and hope that your pay went into their bank account so at least someone gets to enjoy your greed, because one thing is for certain SAFETY is the last item on the company's list that you are working for. How do I know? I know because nobody in their right mind would work in a country where life is held so cheap. For instance- One international company had an exam for local people. That test had to be passed before they could get a job. Part of that test involved swimming to the bottom of a swimming to collect an item and returning to the side. Why anyone who works at sea needs to be able to swim I have no idea - where are you going to swim to, the ocean is enormous and all survival techniques recommend staying still. Anyway the point is that locals drowned just taking the test - what a very caring company they were / are. People think what you are doing and what message you are giving to these companies. That it is alright to put peoples lives a severe risk for OIL providing you pay top dollar for them. I thought that as Safety professionals your stance was that nobody should get hurt because of going to work. I work in an industry which is inherently hazardous because it's on board a ship, however we do our damndest to reduce the dangers and steer clear of know trouble spots. Anyway that's the end of my rant, and i sincerely hope that if any of you decide to go for the money get the chance to spend it as well. Oh by the way if your young and single be very careful with the ladies. cheers Kelvin
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#39 Posted : 12 October 2006 20:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By G-man Bit harsh to be fair. The excitement of being in a dangerous/different place is what some people enjoy and thrive off, me included. Its not about the money although i suppose it would be a perk. As for saying people who go out there should not be classed as safety professionals what a ridiculous comment to make. My friend in Lebanon went for the money yes, but he doesn't sit watching people drown in a swimming pool, he is helping rebuild the infrastructure, creating new schools and housing. Are they a bad person, who (like you so rudely put it) isn't fit to be called a safety professional?
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#40 Posted : 13 October 2006 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dee Everyone is entitled to their opinion Kelvin but the majority of people would be the first to moan if they didn't have fuel to run their cars, gas to heat their homes, etc., etc. Very little of the energy resource that we use comes from the North Sea anymore. The point of safety professionals being in these countries is to help the locals. I can't vouch for every company or site but I have done training with people from these areas and they are so enthusiastic and willing to make it difference towards safety that it is quite humbling. In today's climate there is risk everywhere it is down to perception and personal choice. Not everyone has the choice of working in a nice environment and for some of these locals it is the only option they have to provide for their families. By the way G-Man if you are interested in working in riskier areas get in touch I will give you a few contacts. Oh, and negotiations are still ongoing for the four men kidnapped if anyone is interested. Dee
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