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Posted By SeanThompson
In the middle of setting up a hot work system and have been asked: "can we have a hot work permit for the year?" the reason for this is we do a lot of hot work throughout the day.
Anyone's views are welcome
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Sean
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Posted By John Mackessack
Hot work permit for the year?
Nope.
The very purpose of PTW's (inc HW) is that they are used when 'normal' SSoW cannot be assured. This is usually due to the magnitude of risk involved and the variable nature of the work and conditions being undertaken.
To issue an 'annual' permit would be simply say that the risk is relatively constant and easy to control requiring very little thought from thereon.
In which case, why is there a need for a permit system in the first place?
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Sean
Perhaps, but probably not; it would depend on the nature of the task. Normally hot work permits are produced for a specific task, taking into account those hazards in that environment. They are usually only valid for the time it would take to complete the task. What you are suggesting is a 'generic HWP' which could negate the reason for a HWP in the first place.
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Ray
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Posted By SeanThompson
What about for the month or week?
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Posted By David MacFarlane
Sean,
As the guys have already touched on. One of the reasons for work permits is to use as a communicative tool. I think most would agree that it is justified that permits are daily, otherwise there would be major problems regarding planning, the use of a safe system of work, communication, etc.
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David M.
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Posted By David Bannister
Still no Sean, in my opinion, for the same reasons stated above.
Regular and extended hot work should be dealt with by a Safe System of Work with all necessary controls designed, built in, used and monitored.
Rare, unusual or infrequent hot work needs to be considered by the responsible person under the particular circumstances applying at that time and the relevant controls specified in the Permit. The Permit should be issued for the specific job, valid for a specified timeframe (maximum single shift) and signed off at the end of the work. Resuming work on the next shift or day must be subject to a re-evaluation of the risks and controls needed.
Hope this helps.
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe
I would also say not.
Our hot work permit includes checking the housekeeping in the area where hot work is about to be undertaken and the last
section (sign off) is the checking down of the area at the end of task (too many bush and scrub fires!)
In our experience it would not be practical to issue for more than a single event.
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Posted By SeanThompson
Thanks for your comments guys, i think i have a clear answer!
Thanks
Sean
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Posted By Merv Newman
Nooooooo !
Anywhere outside of a normal welding shop (screens, ventilation and so on) requires a specific permit detailing names, nature of work, preparation and completion. Doesn't matter if work is done by employees or contractors.
Best if area supervision or management countersign the permit before and after completion.
Permit is valid until end of shift or one hour before everyone goes home.
If possible completion includes verification of the work area for up to three hours after work stops (security guard checks it during rounds)
If production actually includes welding bits to bobs then a permit is not required. Just regular auditing of screens, ventilation, housekeeping etc.
Hope this helps. But I'm sure it doesn't.
Merv
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