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#1 Posted : 18 October 2006 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Hayward Morning all anyone seen the article on page 3 of the Guardian this morning - "safety last - Britons urged to cast off cotton wool and rediscover their spirit of adventure" Its all about a report issued by the "better regulation Commission" (who are they? - do IOSH have a seat on it?) They call for a national debate of risk and who should bear it Any thoughts out there? Cheers Mick
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#2 Posted : 18 October 2006 09:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny Here is the link: http://www.guardian.co.u...ticle/0,,1924842,00.html Manny
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#3 Posted : 18 October 2006 10:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Actually it's not too bad an article. It might hlp us get away from the conkers bonkers and give more encouragement to decent risk assessments. Merv
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#4 Posted : 18 October 2006 10:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By andymak Broadly I agree with the article, whilst safety needs to be maintained, and risks controlled where practicable, there is a great tendancy for govt (both national and local) to bend their knees and come up with yet another bit of red tape. I have personal experience of this within my recreational hobby where a handful of accidents (some due to outright stupidity) and a death in a related sport have lead to a mass of unnecessary bans on the activity across the UK. As training, education, respect for others, and liability cover are comprehensively encouraged and at events and some locations a requirement these outright bans for health and safety grounds are in my view a sledge hammer to deal with a peanut! Keep going the way we are and it will be a legal requirement to wrap children in bubble wrap we will have rubber pencils in schools and offices, paper will have to be milled to remove any sharp edges, and synthetic clothing will be illegal due to static discharge!!!
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#5 Posted : 18 October 2006 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham andy don't tell me they have banned jogging down your way too!
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#6 Posted : 18 October 2006 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By andymak No not jogging, and fortunately we are one of the areas where our pastime is still allowed!! Although I did hear that Southwark council were considering banning jogging on safety grounds after a number of tourists were trampled by the lunchtime pavement pounders....
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#7 Posted : 18 October 2006 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi The Guardian use of the heading "Safety Last" is misleading. I have had a quick read of the report and it is worth reading--I hope that the government and other stakeholders respond to it. The report is not about "safety last". The report recommends a public debate about the management of risk involving individual citizens and the media but specifically calls for clear and unambiguous leadership from government to: 1. Change our national approach to risk: Emphasise the importance of resilience, self–reliance, and innovation; separate fact from emotion; balance necessary levels of protection whilst preserving reasonable levels of risk 2. Empower individuals to take more personal responsibility for risk: Give the responsibility for managing risk to those best placed to manage it; embark on state regulation only as a last resort and when nothing else will work; examine areas where the state has assumed more responsibility for people's lives than is healthy or desired 3. Provide high quality training in risk management for Ministers and senior civil servants 4. Establish FARO (the Fast Assessment of Regulatory Options) an independent, ad hoc panel for expert, dispassionate, evidence–based examination of urgent calls for government intervention 5. Launch a 2007 campaign against regulatory inconsistencies and absurdities The report is at:- http://www.brc.gov.uk/do...ads/pdf/risk_res_reg.pdf You can comment on the report at:- http://www.brc.gov.uk/publications/risk_report.asp
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#8 Posted : 18 October 2006 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By sagalout Jay, I agree. It is worth the time to read it. Gives some good insight into another thread of the widening movement towards improved risk management and away from risk aversion. Thanks for the link. I just love the fact that the newspaper headline clearly demonstrates one key area that needs to change. Why "safety last" I wonder, why not "government wants us to take more risks"?
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#9 Posted : 18 October 2006 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze Sagalout, I took it to be a reference to the 1920's film starring Harold Lloyd. Not withstanding the above, the headline does somewhat fail to get the proper message across.
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#10 Posted : 19 October 2006 14:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Diane Thomason Good info there Jay. As usual there is a misleading headline and a lot behind it. They have obviously worked hard to get bizarre quotes: "Last night, experts agreed there had been a cultural shift in levels of paranoia about dangers that are out of people's control. "We employ health and safety officers to monitor everything we do, from drinking coffee to walking down a hallway," said Dr Terri Apter, a social psychologist at Cambridge University. "Parents seem to be more risk averse, too. We have to get back on track in order to be able to think more reasonably about risks."" Of course I don't wish to diss the "social psychologist" quoted, but surely if it is the case that an organisation "employ(s) health and safety officers to monitor everything we do, from drinking coffee to walking down a hallway" then that is the organisation's own (rather unfathomable) decision? and they could choose NOT to employ said "health and safety officers" to monitor their coffee-drinking etc if they don't want to?
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#11 Posted : 19 October 2006 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Drury I thought the article made some good points when you remove the media hype. Just a few points I would like to make. As a Father of two (10Yr & 7Yr)I regard there safety as paramount and have always used booster seats when they are travelling in my car. Regulation came second to common sense. Cathedral Camps "Health and safety rules increasingly restricted what they could do and insurance costs soared, despite no injuries to volunteers in 25 years". In my experience it is the increase in insurance costs which bring about restrictions and increased health and safety rules. Risk control should be about controlling significant risk. And I wouldn't consider drinking coffee a significant risk. Lastly cars are much safer today than back in 1967, but average annual mileage of todays cars is much greater, so maybe annual MOT's are still a good idea. Mark
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