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#1 Posted : 27 October 2006 17:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Jackson I have recently started a new position and during my working day I have been asked a question that I have been unable to put a definitive answer to. I am hoping that someone may have been asked a similar question or have views on the appropriate action to be taken. The question involves non-employees using hazardous chemicals that we provide for cleaning. The non-employees may range from the elderly to young persons, all of which have varying use of such chemical like bleach and polish etc. The question raised is "do we have to provision similar instruction and controls as if they were of our own employees using the chemicals". My research so far indicates that the answer is "yes" but there seems to be no pinpoint answer as most legislation covers employees or the effect that may be had on non-employees. Any Views?
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#2 Posted : 27 October 2006 23:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Taylor Mark - why are these people likely to use these substances? Are they not being adequately stored allowing them to be accessed by these non - employees. If so the action is to keep them out of their reach. If the chemicals are meant for the use of non - employees then I would recommend that you consider that they are indeed employees - even if you do not pay them - and folow all the same precautions of training - information - instruction - PPE etc etc Martin
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#3 Posted : 28 October 2006 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister Mark, as I understand it, the HASAWA 1974 includes a duty of care to non-employees, so any Regulations made under it automatically include that duty. Consequently COSHH applies to non-employees. So, yes, you must ensure appropriate controls are in place.
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#4 Posted : 28 October 2006 18:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Mark No question about it. Both HASAW and COSHH require the employer to ensure the health and safety of those who might be affected by what he does. By providing the chemicals for use by others you have a duty to ensure that they do not come to harm. If these are cleaning chemicals, have you investigated the possibility of less hazardous ones? You will need to do a risk assessment and then put the appropriate control measures (e.g. appropriate equipment, gloves etc.) and training in place. Not knowing the precise details of your operation it is difficult to be specific, but you might find it a whole lot cheaper to get professional cleaners to do the job, rather than have an on-going issue with a variety of people needing training, supervision etc. Chris
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#5 Posted : 28 October 2006 18:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Dear Mark, COSHH 2002 Reg 3. - (1) states Where a duty is placed by these Regulations on an employer in respect of his employees, he shall, so far as is reasonably practicable, be under a like duty in respect of any other person, whether at work or not, who may be affected by the work carried out by the employer except that the duties of the employer - (a) under regulation 11 (health surveillance) shall not extend to persons who are not his employees; and (b) under regulations 10, 12(1) and (2) and 13 (which relate respectively to monitoring, information and training and dealing with accidents) shall not extend to persons who are not his employees, unless those persons are on the premises where the work is being carried out. Regards Adrian Watson
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#6 Posted : 28 October 2006 19:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd You could also read : The Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations 2002 By non-employes, I presume that they do not and are not employed by you, or paid by you or your company in any way ?
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#7 Posted : 30 October 2006 09:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Jackson Thank you all, I was of the same opinion on the posted responses, I work for a housing authority and therefore there are always going to be non-employees who will have access to cleaning materials in our shelters schemes. I have considered contracting out the cleaning of communal areas, however this has a cost implication that we cannot at this time address. I have already restricted the type of chemicals that they have access to, but I can't remove all. Risk Assessment and control measures will be employed. Once again Thank you all.
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#8 Posted : 30 October 2006 10:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Why not get biodegradable non hazardous chemicals - problem gone!
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