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#1 Posted : 30 October 2006 07:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Taylor Where can I find guidance on how to set speed limitsaround site. I imagine that the Highways people have guidance in deciding how to vary the spped limits between 40 , 30 and 20 mph. I am reviewing our site speed limits at present and am looking to have a selection criteria for each relevant area of the site. 5 mph seems an impracticably slow speed and may not be required in all areas but how do I decide areas where 10 or even 15 may be safely acceptable . I am not looking for a massive proliferation as this will lead to confusion but I want to adopt a logical approach that can be reviewed periodically as things change. any ideas or references much appreciated Martin
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#2 Posted : 30 October 2006 08:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth Martin I work at quite a large site in the northwest where we have the following arrangements. A 5mph limit for all internal transport such as FLTs and pedestrian trucks. Around the perimeter we operate a one-way system with a 10mph speed limit for cars, delivery vans and LGVs. This is supplemented by speed ramps, chicanes and stop junctions. If you look at the HSE consultation document "Proposals for Managing Workplace Transport Risk" you may get some more info.
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#3 Posted : 30 October 2006 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Taylor thanks Peter - this is much as I am looking to put into place. We have a couple of areas where FLTs operate externally and I am debating a 5mph through there. Hence guidelines would allow a repeatable process should factory layout change. Martin
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#4 Posted : 30 October 2006 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter As with public highways, such systems are not 100% self-regulating! Make sure there are adequate resources for 'policing' and a clear policy for dealing with non-conformance (including dealing with supplier/delivery drivers). Chicanes and sleeping policemen can introduce problems with harsher acceleration between obstacles, and are perhaps most effective when limited to entry/exit and other potential pedestrian/vehicle conflict zones? Your resources should of course be focussed initially on segregation of pedestrians and vehicles. I like the idea of an "odd" number displayed on highway type signs in the workplace (I can't remember where I first read this)to focus driver attention, e.g. "13 mph".
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#5 Posted : 30 October 2006 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap How do you propse to enforce your speed limits? Do you use a laser to check speeds and what if drivers are speeding what do you do?
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#6 Posted : 30 October 2006 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth Ron You're quite correct they aren't self regulating. What we initially did was to contact all of our suppliers informing them of our new arrangements well in advance of their introduction. We also briefed all employees and expressly asked them to report all instances of speeding or reckless driving to either security or to their line managers. The drivers were stopped on the way out and warned that their employers would be contacted. This happened on a number of occasions with one instance of a delivery driver being banned from site. We still get the occasional driver who is reported but this is now quite rare. With regard to segregation, we have designated walkways and separate traffic routes in all areas of the factory, with crossing points, barriers etc. Pedestrians have right of way in all areas. Toecap, we find we don't need laser's, good training, monitoring and management usually does the trick.
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#7 Posted : 30 October 2006 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Good. Thats all i needed to know
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#8 Posted : 30 October 2006 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth You've no idea how much of a relief that is. A sleepless night avoided.
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#9 Posted : 30 October 2006 17:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fred Pratley You don't need a speed gun or laser to check if you have half decent CCTV. If you need to, painting white "speeed" lines on the site road at 5 metre intervals for about 30 metres and using the second counter on the CCTV clock (plus some maths) will do, especially as it tends to be a minority that cause the problems even with the best management in place.
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#10 Posted : 30 October 2006 22:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Taylor thanks for all the comments so far - I especially like the idea of using CCTV for monitoring offenders. What about the speed limit though - I see 5 mph posted in many areas nowadays but is there any science behind it? Is the risk of accident significantly reduced by reducing speed from 10 mph? What is the most poular speed? Martin
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#11 Posted : 30 October 2006 22:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper Martin We have posted 5mph speed restriction in very congested areas, e.g. loading areas, and 10mph in other areas. To be realistic we take action 5mph above the set limit We monitor compliance by use of a speed gun. Once drivers know we operate speed monitoring, compliance has increased considerably. Anyone found speeding are approached and asked to comply, a second offence results in disciplinary action. We even banned a well known delivery company from the site. Barry
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#12 Posted : 30 October 2006 23:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor In reality, drivers tend to drive in excess of whatever speed limit is stated on the signs. By saying 5mph you will probably get around 10mph and if you say 10mph you will get 15mph or so. At least by erecting the signs you will be seen as attempting to control vehicle speed rather than allowing a free-for-all and perceived as having some responsibility for an ensuing speed-related incident. Speed limits in single figures will tend to make the point that there is a real need to drive slowly and cautiously.
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