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#1 Posted : 31 October 2006 15:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By TomP If you have clear evidence, i.e. one of your colleagues took photos from their office window, of contrators standing in the buckets of earth moving equipment to tie lables on to a lamp post, are you duty bound to report it and if so to whom? Moral duty as a professional? Or just a snitch......!!!! As a Health and Safety Manager, if this was my staff I would want to know. Wouldn't you?
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#2 Posted : 31 October 2006 15:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker My guess is your observations will not be welcome. On the other had if you "pass by" and someone later breaks their neck, how well will you sleep? I'd report - to HSE! with Photo
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#3 Posted : 31 October 2006 15:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Tom Who are you going to tell, the HSE or the contractor? Paul
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#4 Posted : 31 October 2006 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By TomP Well there is the dilemma. If I do report, who to?
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#5 Posted : 31 October 2006 15:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Weiland You could maybe send the evidence to the contractors head office with a letter of advice. Maybe just maybe they will listen..... Good Luck
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#6 Posted : 31 October 2006 15:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy TomP, I'm with Jim on this. If you report it to the contractor, you will probably get told "where to stick your photo" and nothing will change. Report it to the HSE and let them deal with it. For all you know, they may already have an active interest in the contractors. Go on....be a snitch! Holmezy
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#7 Posted : 31 October 2006 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Rose Hi Tom chances are if you report it to the contractor, you won't be thanked. report it to the HSE and they may investigate (not always though) especially if you include a photo. I would like to think that if it were one of my contractors, some one would tell me and not the HSE. Be guided by your conscience. Peter
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#8 Posted : 31 October 2006 16:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Tom, If it is in your opinion a matter of immediate and serious danger or risk of injury you have no choice if you are a safety professional; you must report it to the local enforcement office because that is where the authority to prohibit lies and they have the expertise to deal with the situation lawfully. Where it may be something less obvious, then I will normally try to contact the company safety people first and dependant on their response will then report to HSE if I still feel it necessary. Mostly the response is one of thanks because all responsible companies understand the potential for "site mods". I always receive such calls with gratitude, amazing the difference it makes sometimes when employees and contractors know there are other eyes out there.
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#9 Posted : 31 October 2006 21:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11 Hi TomP, I'd report it, but from experience the HSE are too busy and too stretched to deal with such a trivial matter - this is not a reflection on any individual, but the service cuts that are impacting on the whole of the HSE. If it were a fatality, or a Major incident it would be different... do your bit and report it, at least then your conscience is clear. Regards
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#10 Posted : 31 October 2006 21:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By NeilM Poyznts-Powell Hi Tom, It may also be beneficial to report to the principal contractor or company that the contractor was working for they generally know the legal and cost implications such acts could well impact on their business. A contrator may not listen to you but they will generally listen to the person with the cheque book! Regards, neil
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#11 Posted : 31 October 2006 22:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Report it. Remember the poem: I could have saved a life today, but I chose to look the other way. It wasn’t that I didn’t care, I had the time, and I was there. But I didn’t want to seem a fool, or argue over a safety rule. I knew he’d done the job before, if I called it wrong, he might get sore. The chances didn’t seem that bad, I’ve done the same, he knew I had. So I shook my head and walked on by, he knew the risks as well as I. He took the chance, I closed an eye, and with that act, I let him die. I could have saved a life today, but I chose to look the other way. Now every time I see his wife, I’ll know I should have saved his life. That guilt is something I must bear, but it isn’t something you need to share. If you see a risk that others take, that puts their health or life at stake. The question asked, or thing you say, could help them live another day. If you see a risk and walk away, then hope you never have to say, I could have saved a life today, but I chose to look the other way. by Don Merrell
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#12 Posted : 01 November 2006 00:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Brunskill Why not write to the Contractor, give them the details and explain that you are considering forwarding the information to the HSE. Require them to write to you detailing the action they are going to take to to prevent recurrence. I did something similar with a Driver from a Brand Name recently. I was contacted by the Safety Manager, he explained the action and followed up in writing. They offered Gift Vouchers for the "Trauma" but these were diverted to the Special Care Baby Unit at York (I am such a nice guy lol). They responded really well.
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#13 Posted : 01 November 2006 08:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham Nice letter to contractors Managing Director with copy of photographs.
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#14 Posted : 01 November 2006 08:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tommy Cooper Send a letter to the company, and save the evidence as backup later on. As usually if you send evidence the company at fault will "magically" lose the evidence. Rememeber "I could have saved a life today, but I chose to look the other way."
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#15 Posted : 01 November 2006 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope I don't see any dilema. Most guys will respond to a friendly chat - put on the white helmet, and your best acting skills, no need to impersonate the HSE. Just be firm, tell them to get down and be intelligent & practical about your advice on an alterntive method. Don't bother with the bosses, some other consultant is being paid for that. Don't bother with the HSE they know there are tens of thousands of guys breaking the law on construction sites every day who they will never see.
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#16 Posted : 01 November 2006 09:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By ddraigice No, please ignore the "don't bother with the HSE" above. Dedicated complaints teams do this sort of thing daily and they rely on people calling in. It can be done anonymously and, no matter what others say, if inspectors need to go to site (and with anon ones they will) they will not say there's been a complaint. They invariably ask if there has been but they do that even if there hasnt been one! In my experience people usually shout and swear if you tell them what to do without the threat of HSE behind you. They usually know what they are doing is wrong and if they dont they usually havent the intelligence to show anything other than aggression.
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#17 Posted : 01 November 2006 12:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By TomP Well I reported it to the companies health and safety adviser. He has welcomed the photos which was refreshing and I now feel a warm sense of pride and professionalism welling up in me..... or is that the fact that the office has now achieved the legal minimum... hey ho..
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#18 Posted : 01 November 2006 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By D Whitelegg Well done Tom. Sometimes it can be most worthwhile following these things up. Soem time ago I witnessed a case of really bad driving and reported it to the company. They were pleased to get the report and dealt with the driver. I'm sure that warm glow is not just the office heating. Dave
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#19 Posted : 01 November 2006 15:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By mark limon Tom,doing the right thing isnt always easy. Well done.
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