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Posted By john j park
any suggestions for maintainance workers i.e. engineers & electrician's who are working on non generic tasks, which have not been risk assessed before and there is no safe systems of work in place, for the task.
i.e. breakdowns on plant and equipment,
a system where a risk assessment can be carried out by the engineer/electrician and recorded that would be adequate to control the risks associated with the tasks.
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A suitable training course that would be adequate to provide this
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Posted By Descarte
I would suggest training would include but not be limited to COSHH, isolations, asbestos (if required), permit to work, confined space (if required).
Generic risk assessments for "maintenance" are not necessarily a good idea especially if these tasks are non-routine. We have produced a checklist type RA before for our maintenance basically asking them to spot and record any hazards associated with the job before they start, takes about 5 minutes for a low hazard job but longer if required. They should then decide what if any action requires to be taken before they start, so maybe add RA training to that above
Hope this helps
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Posted By Descarte
Oh I should add that if working under a permit system all requirements for PPE, isolations, hot work, precuations, on-going or other work would also be recorded on this.
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Posted By Tom Doyle
John,
I am not aware of any EN or standard that deals with electrical arc flash, blast, and/or shock hazards in great detail. Realizing of course that you are not in North America, there is a very good NFPA standard that could be benificial. NFPA 70E, Standard for Electrical Safety in the Workplace provides detaild hazard assessment, and mitigation strategy guidance.
Cheers
Tom Doyle
Industrial Safety Integration.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
A note of caution, if I may. The employer is legally required to assess all reasonably foreseeable significant risks arising from his undertaking. This includes maintenance and repair. It is foreseeable that machines have to be maintained, it is equally foreseeable that they will, on ocassion, break down.
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Posted By Al Beevers
John,
We have for several years used dynamic risk assessments for out mobile engineers. These are a template listing the usual hazards encountered (electricity, slips + falls, poor access) which the engineers grad (1-3), and also record their precautions (16th Ed. qualifies, safety footwear worn) etc. these have to be returned with each job sheet - or the guys don't get their expenses.
All the guys get a 1 day training course on risk assessment on top of their other safety training. We have also now developed a system of issuing jobs on PDA's, and the same template has been added onto the PDA, with the difference being that the job can't be signed off until the risk asssessment has been completed.
The most important section of the format we use is the "Precautions Not Sufficient - Job Postponed section". It encourages the engineers to request extra help - 2 people for heavier tasks, scaffolding to be provided, or isolation by the electricity provider.
It's not a perfect system, but it is suprisingly good when an EHO demands a risk assessment he doesn't think's been done. The engineers also like it as it's taken away the perception that the job's just got to be done.
Al.
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Posted By Frank Tomei
I believe that the principles in ISO14121 (EN1050) and using a task based risk assessment approach would go a long way in helping tour cause.
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Posted By Elaina Harvey
It may be worth contacting the following organisations to look at electric arc risk assessments/high voltage training
EA Technology
http://www.eatechnology.com
gary.eastwood@eatechnology.com
+44 151 3394181
(they will carry out an arc flash risk assessment to identify the incident energy levels)
EmPower Training
www.empower-training.com
ben.prince@empower-training.com
+44 115 9832900
A contact at the Health & Safety Executive that may also help is
Ken Morton - HM Principal Electrical Inspector (Head of Power Systems)
Health & Safety Executive
NSD4C
Belford House
59 Belford Road
Edinburgh
EH4 3UE
0131 247 2116
ken.morton@hse.gsi.gov.uk
I work for DuPont NOMEX(r) flame resistant fibres - if anyone wishes to discuss technical issues related to electric arc or obtain recommendations for garment manufacturers, please feel free to contact me
elaina.harvey@gbr.dupont.com
+44 7881 836588
There will be a new standard coming in related to electric arc clothing - IEC 61482-2 (this is still in draft format, so not sure when it will be finalised)
Hope this helps
Elaina Harvey, DuPont (UK) Ltd
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Posted By martin gray1
I have the same problem at present regarding maintenance engineers and a suitable and user friendly risk assessment. I would appreciate any examples anyone may have. We are in the wait for it double glazing industry. If anyone can help at all I promise never to send a salesman round to sit in your house all evening.
I have also had many heated exchanges with my directors over employing a second engineer. The guy we have at present is fully qualified in both electrical and mechanical. The problem is they don't want to spend out that amount money again. The the second engineer would work on a lap over shift pattern so he would not be working with the main engineer for at least 6 hours of his shift. He would be carrying out mainly preventive maintenance work.
He would not be alone in the building I hasten to add, but my argument is we need to be able to prove his competences in some way. I am of the opinion that experience is a difficult one to prove. I would appreciate any help from you guys as my experience is not as far reaching as yours.
Would a 1 week long electrical awareness course along with his experience be thought to be enough?
Martin
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