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Posted By Karel Simpson
Hi,
I have been scratching my head recently on the subject of artex containing asbestos. How much is generally contained? Is this safe or unsafe when being drilled into or cut?
Basically one of our workers was going to knock a hole through a ceiling that was not part of the job for a plumber. However the worker was informed not to touch the ceiling as the possibility of asbestos was present as located during a type 2 survey. This happened yesterday as I was out of the office all day.
Would it have been safe wearing PPE such as respiratory equipment etc as I believe the level in artex ceiling is low.
Is their guidance available or has anybody dealt with this query ion the past or has a company procedure that I can review to help me.
Thank you for taking the time in reading this.
Regards
KS
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Posted By S R Robinson Hi KS, Artex usually contains 2% Asbestos but can be as high as 5%. It is a highly bonded material an is considered low risk. I would not advise "knocking a hoele" in it, however drilling can be done without a licensed contractor providing the person doing the job has adequate training. The HSE website has an online version of Asbestos essentials which guides you through minor Asbestos works: http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...tos/essentials/index.htmThe one you will need is A9: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/a9.pdfThis guidance covers artex, (referring to them as decorative coating), and gives you a method, appropriate precautions and air monitoring requirements. Hope this helps. Stephen.
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Posted By Karel Simpson
Thank you for that information it has proved to be very helpful.
Regards
KS
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Task Guidance Sheet A9 in HSG 210 best describes how this task should be undertaken.
ISBN 0-7176-1887-0 published by the HSE
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Here we go then!
This is and asbestos product and although it may contain a low % ALL asbestos products are dangerous some more than others.
The work you are talking about is at present can legally only be done by a Licensed Asbestos Removal Contractor!!! HOWEVER for 13th on Nov this will become an non licensable product and can be worked on by anybody!!!
If you follow the guidance on the new Regs then
You have to do it safely and produce a MS (18 point I may add) & RA which has been completed by a competent person who has the knowledge and experience with working with asbestos, you have to look at the product and decide whether the fibre release is above 0.6f/m over 10 min and if it is likely to exceed this then a Licensed contractor must be used, if after the RA it is deemed that it will be below this level then it will be 'short duration work of sporadic and low intensity' and you can then crack on.
(PS this has to be done for ALL WORK ON ANY ASBESTOS PRODUCT EVEN CEMENT!)
Build an enclosure
2 stage airlock
Type H Vacuums
FFP3 mask (1/2)
Type 5 overalls
UN Waste bags
Proper training
experience in the work
Provide a self certification to say the area is free from asbestos - How?
and more importantly have a clause in your Employers Liability Insurance allowing your staff to work on asbestos products.
If you do this then you will be OK
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Posted By Catman
Hi Dave
Where did you get the info that all work with any asbestos containing material requires a 2 stage airlock, hepa vaccuum and enclosure?
TW
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Sorry mate was referring to the MS & RA bit is required for all asi work, the airlock & enclosure etc is specifically for TC.
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Posted By DavidW
Dave
Pardon my ignorance but you've mentioned "TC" in connection with asbestos a few times in this and other threads. What is "TC"
Dave
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Posted By Kate Graham
Presumably TC = textured coating i.e. Artex etc (Artex is just a trade name for the best known brand)
Kate
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Posted By Karel Simpson
Thanks everyone for your contribution,
I am currently reviewing the regs and also the asbestos essentials guidance as provided by the HSE and I am on my way to the completion of an internal procedure for dealing with so called low risk asbestos.
I have also arranged for a training course in awareness for all staff.
As for the Insurance I will pass this on to our admin dept who deal with all this.
Once again thanks!
KS
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Karel
The syllabus for the training is that set out in the new acop - I'm surprised Dave did not mention that bit. Like the new regs the acop is effective from Nov 13th 2006. The training needs to be certificated and I think most of the awareness courses I have seen recently do not meet the new requirements. Make sure you cross check to ensure that all the matters are covered.
The new requirements state that all operatives, including maintenance and refurbishment, who could forseeably work on or with ACMs will need to be trained.
Bob
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Bob didn't mention it as did not wish to be seen as breaking the AUG's.
You are quite correct in that any employee who may be exposed to AC M's will legally have to undergo Asbestos / Awareness Training.
Awareness for anyone who may come into contact with ACM's as part of their work will need to be trained.
Employees who will have to work on non licensed ACM's (TC & Cement etc)will also have to be trained in greater depth.
And then there is the Asbestos Industry for removal operatives and managers etc.
Any asbestos training organisation who has signed up to the ATPWG Code of Conduct and agrees to this, can go on the HSE www as an "approved" trainer for asbestos, all these are on the HSE www and the HSE / LAEHO will be asking what training provider you use as part of their inspection / site visit process.
Hope that helps.
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