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Posted By Phil D
Hi all, I have an issue on my site with regards to unloading trailers at night. They are in the warehouse, but obviously the further in you go, the darker it gets. We want to trial something as simple as fitting a light to the truck. We can have the light fitted securely, no trailing wires etc, even a cut off (dead man) switch, but what are the implications with regards to it complying with regs. Someone told me it will have to be sent away for CE compliance (something I tend to disagree with as it is surely only the marrying of 2 seperate pieces of equipment) So I was then thinking that a simple risk assessment will suffice.
One thing that concerns me though, is that because the light will be linked to the trucks battery (by the trained truck engineers I might add), will we then be voiding things like insurance.
If it was at home I wouldn't see this as any sort of issue, but would appreciate some expert advice.
Many thanks,
Phil
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Posted By David Bannister
This might be a daft question - why not switch on the warehouse lights, or those that need to be on?
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Posted By Phil D
still laughing.. they're on David, but the trailers are 40 foot in length, only a light source pointing into the trailer would illuminate the inside. This isn't needed for every trailer, but it is considerably cheaper than modifying all the ones that do not have lights already inside them. All other methods have been thought of, and this is the most cost effective, and one that all the truck operators agree is practical, so all I need to know is, if it is ok to do as I mentioned, and what do I have to do to make it compliant with all regs.
Regards,
Phil
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Posted By Pete48
Phil,
please don't take this as "expert advice".
Looks like a simple solution using local staff to solve a real problem. However, the business of ensuring that you stay "on side" with regard to design and safety standards may be more complex. If you do not stay "on side" in that respect then you are accepting that in responding to any issues that arise your company would not be able to rely upon compliance to those standards and may be in breach of various duties. Insurers MAY indeed also walk away unless you have notified them of any mods to standard kit.
I am never confident about where the line between the Construction and Use Regs for vehicles and the Machinery Directive is drawn in respect of equipment on a vehicle that is not to do with it being a vehicle.(or whatever the distinction is!)I would always seek more competent advice in this area.
I agree that, on the face of it, the technical aspects of your proposed mod seem simple enough to solve and your engineers may be competent to do the installation of that mod. You need, however, to also check your proposals against relevant standards, directives etc. If you do not have that expertise in house, that may be what you need to source. I doubt that it is a simple CE mark.
Have you spoken with the truck manufacturers? They may already have an approved mod for this or be willing to give you some specific guidance.
Sorry this is not a "fix- it" reply. Hope it helps to review your position.
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Posted By TBC
We have lights at the side of the bay doors which swing round - much like a reading office desk light on arms, springs etc. We also have lights above the bay shining down as the trailers usually pickup light from outside above (daylight for example). Find them useful if personnel have to access without a truck.
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Posted By Edward Shyer
Hi Phil,
Contact your insurance company and explain your proposal discuss where, how and who will be fitting the lights to get their take on this. It isn’t a major installation after all and people have spotlights fitted to the back of pick up trucks for the same purpose of being able to see what they are doing.
Contact the company that loads the trailers and ask if they have the same problems and if so what they have done to overcome this and see if it would be feasible to use in you operations.
Regards
Ted
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Posted By Innes Gray
1 most if not all forklift trucks can have road lights fitted as STD. so some where out there will be a ce marked truck running around with lights
2 You don't say if they are IC or pure Electric forklifts.
3 the make of forklift makes a lot of difference for example Still trucks have a stabilized 12volt supply for accessories built into truck that only need switching on by engineer with his laptop no direct connection to battery required.
4 If you look you will probably see the fixing points for the factory fitted lights or get non invasive (no drill, Clamp type)bracket.
drilling holes into over head guard to fit the light bracket is not best practice.
nothing is as easy as you think
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Posted By Phil D
thanks for all your posts, for info,
1. we have the lights that swing around but the guys who actually do the job inform me that they are a pain,
2. the trucks are electric ride-on pallet trucks and it is manufacturer's own engineers who made the prototype for us as there was no forethought regarding forward facing lights on these particular trucks.
regards,
Phil
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