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Posted By Lee Mac
Hi All,
Just when I thought I had it down to the issue of replacing scaffolding, I was on one of our sites yesterday, where I found one of our normally good site managers, had decided to access an excavation which was more than 2.5metres deep with just a ladder just resting against one of the sides. I couldn't believe my eyes and unfortunately this was when the work had ceased.
The guy was totally confrontational, I tried to calm the situation- which thankfully I did.
The guy is educated to degree level and MCIOB, and usually really good on H&S practice and paperwork.
I seen this guy was obviously pushed on this one. I explained to him, that work was work, but if he had no regard for his own well being, he should spare a thought for his pregnant wife who could so easily have been getting bad news about her husband and his 18 month old son would have been left without his Daddy.
I spoke with a few other members of the contracts team about this issue- Senior Site Manager appeared shocked, but what I have learned from one of our QS, this wasn't the first time that this "shocked" site manager has been involved in pushing his men to the limit.
One remark the shocked Site Manager made was- "well sure he has been trained to the limit, so he should be accountable for his own actions".
A real Snake!!
Another point to note the Senior Site Manager is a real brown nose with the MD, so I have to proceed with caution with this.
Anyone else have similar experiences.
Lee
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Posted By mark limon
Senior managers in my 30 years in heavy industry have always pushed the boundaries to get things done,as the old school with old attitudes retire things may improve!!,maybe,hopefully,who knows.:-)
Keep the faith Lee.
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Posted By Salus
Hi Lee, you could be looking at a serious accident happening, I would advise that you write up a report on your findings when you visited the site and issue a copy to all concerned including the MD
Just state the facts do not include names and
include recommendations (safe working procedures in excavations and or any training which you think would benefit employees)and advise.
Carry out a toolbox / safety talk on risk assessment and working safely on all sites, record all attendees names.
If you are the safety guy your job is to advise not manage.
This will hopefully, if they have any sense, put the onus on senior management to ensure by issuing your advise back down the line, especially to the "senior site manager".
Unfortunately us safety personnel have to look after ourselves as well as others while at work.
HTH
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Lee
Sounds like your business in utilities? I think we all have moments such as you describe and it is a slippery slope that we have to encounter (no pun intended). Keeping good relations is a key to good management, safety included, but not at the expense of poor practices. It appears you have a tough call to make, issuing a non-conformance or forgetting it.
A third option might be to discuss the matter with a senior manager before making a decision. Although when the 'chips are down', getting the 'job done' usually wins.
Ray
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Posted By Lee Mac
It was all sent in the form of audit and lets just say the score reflected attitudes.
I had an irrate Senior Site Manager saying I was incredibly hard on them- I highted the fact that I put H&S uppermost as this is my job.
His job is to juggle the two simultaneously.
He did agree, although it took a while.
The MD was CCd as were all other members of our team.
Hopefully we see an end to this............ but I doubt it!
LEE
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