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Posted By holmezy
Hello All,
just been asked a question that I've never considered before.
Some of our lorries have reversing "bleepers" and some don't. Do they have to have these? I know that its definately a "nice to have".
I assumed (obviously wrongly) that all lorries had them these days. Or perhaps they just dont work on some of our lorries, would they fail the MOT / VOSA transport test?
Holmezy
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Posted By Jim Walker
Nice to have, as you can't rely on them as a waring if you consider deaf people.
More of them around than you might think
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Posted By Emyr Evans
You will have a duty of care to ensure that the risk to pedestrians (including banksmen) is reduced to a reasonably practicable manner.
Having worked in the construction industry for the last 6 years - delivering plant & equipment - the majority of major construction firms would require cctv system to be installed on every delivery / collection lorry.
It may be prudent of you to consider this - since they are relatively cheap & would be regarded as best practice in a court of law
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Posted By Ken Dickson
Reversing bleepers, CCTV, and banksmen, technically, are all on the “nice to have” list.
MOT and similar testing is about roadworthiness and does not concern itself with such niceties.
Given the frequency of fatal accidents caused by vehicle movements, especially reversing, operators who do not use some or all of the above means to prevent such incidents would find it difficult to mitigate in any legal action. Employers who permit uncontrolled vehicle reversing on their site will be similarly liable.
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Posted By IainThomson
Holmezy
this is currently a nice to have and as already indicated not the a perfect solution.
All our vehicles are fitted with reversing alarms though.
A bit of shared learning for you.
Another alarm we had fitted due to a spate of incidents was a hand brake alarm. If the driver opened the door of the vehicle without the vehicle handbrake being applied a light would come on and a buzzer would sound.
This is of particular importance if it is an articulated vehicle as the trailer would hold the vehicle during the coupling process until the driver connects the airlines, which would then releases the trailer brakes, allowing the vehicle to roll away. Drivers can be in the habit of not using the trailer brake as disconnection of the airlines causes the trailer brakes to be applied hence there is no need to apply the trailer brake! It is extremely embarrassing when the driver is asked where he was when the vehicle rolled away, and he answers on the catwalk i.e. between the cab and the trailer!
This reduced our four incidents of this type over a six week period to no incidents in over two years so it works for me.
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Posted By CRN Baker
Hi, the vehicles used by my employer do not have reversing bleepers. Our drivers deliver to shop premises VERY early in the morning. Can you imagine the local residents horror, thinking the alarm clock has gone off at 03:30 when actually it's a lorry reversing into the delivery bay at the local store. Mmm, even I would be grumpy being woken that early!!
There are very extensive process documents which cover what the drivers need to do to ensure they don't run anyone over, i.e. check, check and check again. Additionally the vehicles are fitted with reversing cameras. I appreciate cameras may not be suitable for all vehicles (e.g. tippers) but as a business we're legally obliged to comply with noise abatement regulations at delivery points. So in conclusion my understanding is that it is a nice to have.
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Posted By Pierre de Carteret
Having researched and trialled this area I would humbly suggest a broad band reversing alarm (less noise pollution in urban areas, better direction finding for pedestrians etc, proximity sensors (especially stand alone systems for articulated vehicles), and where appropriate a Fresnel lens.
CCTV on articulated vehicles is problematic and results in frequent need of minor repairs /sorting out etc!
Those looking after sites don't forget the well positioned convex mirror!
Regards,
Pierre
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