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#1 Posted : 20 December 2006 11:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Not sure how I missed this, but have just discovered that IOSH have a "passport" tied to the IOSH working safely course. As a big user of the old SPA/IOSH passport course and the subsequent dumping by IOSH (after I had committed 1000s hours worth of training to it!), I'm a bit reluctant to make the same mistake again. Can anyone out there comment on the "worth" of this passport? Is it accepted out there in the real world. I & many others have had bad experiences of the CSCS card but are resigned to accept that this is what most clients want. Is the IOSH one a valid alternative.
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#2 Posted : 20 December 2006 15:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By rks The IOSH passport will be compliant to the new CDM regs for competencey on site. This a one day course and is by all accounts a very lucrative area to be in at the moment with companies charging around £350 per delegate. RKS
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#3 Posted : 20 December 2006 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave McIness You are kidding!! How on earth can IOSH advocate that going on a one day passport course makes anyone competent for CDM!! Are IOSH going too far on this occasion to make more money? Dave
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#4 Posted : 20 December 2006 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Battman I certainly hope it is not claiming competence for the new CDM Regulations. If so, I think a claim under the Trades Descriptions Act could be imminent!
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#5 Posted : 20 December 2006 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By rks Its for working on site not having competence of the CDM regs.
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#6 Posted : 20 December 2006 16:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert. Shouldn't "safety" courses of this nature be regulated?
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#7 Posted : 20 December 2006 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave McIness Shouldn't matter whether its for site or office, a one day course cannot provide anything more than safety awareness, certainly not competence. Are you saying that this course will provide safety competent labours that are certified to work on sites operating under CDM? I sincerely hope not!
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#8 Posted : 20 December 2006 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By rks The course is a first step in health and safety at a level of the CSCS. As were the CSCS is a registration the passport scheme is a qualification that the operatives get to keep and shows them an in site into how H&S works in a way that could be described as an extensive induction.
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#9 Posted : 20 December 2006 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert. "So, to allow me to work on site boss, can I go on the expensive IOSH passport course?" "Or are you just gonna fork out the thirty quid and let me do a touch screen?"
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#10 Posted : 20 December 2006 16:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By rks don't shoot the mesenger. I am just answering the original posters question. It is an IOSH cousre not the "RKS passport" qualification.
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#11 Posted : 21 December 2006 09:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Caroline Holden Good morning all To clarify the IOSH Passport is one method of accrediting learning for the IOSH Working Safely awareness training course. The alternative is to have an IOSH certificate for successful delegates. The course is a 100% match to the HSE passport syallabus HSE leaflet reference number INDG381. It is an basic awareness training course and does not imply health and safety practitioner level competence - it is aimed at all people at work. Caroline Holden - IOSH's Director of Commercial Affairs
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#12 Posted : 21 December 2006 09:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Brunskill I think it is important to remember that training is but one element of competence. Is the claim that the course provides competence? The other issue is recognition amongst the construction industry. Unless specified as an acceptable entry level by the bigger players this scheme will fail. Meeting the HSE guidelines will be irrelevant if IOSH do not achieve buy in. What an opportunity to shine though, everyone gripes about the alternatives.
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#13 Posted : 21 December 2006 11:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker I obviously explained myself badly. What I wanted to know was: do you have any experiences of the acceptability of this card as an equivalence to CSCS etc etc cards to access client's sites. I'm not interested in opinions as to if it is equivalent or not, just if clients recognise it and let you in. Or do I carry on down the rocky CSCS road. This is not for me, but for 3-400 operatives I have to place with clients. Note that I am approaching some of these clients direct, I just wanted to tap into a wider forum.
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#14 Posted : 21 December 2006 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave McIness Well said Tony Why on earth would any contractor or other construction professional want to go on an IOSH one day working safely course which isn't aimed specifically at the construction industry. Surely the construction industry is big enough to justify the development of such a course? Dave
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#15 Posted : 21 December 2006 11:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave McIness Jim If I were you I would go for the CSCS every time, despite the difficulties and problems, it is clearly the most widely accepted and recognised card scheme and I think it will eventually get sorted out and become more widely accepted by the likes of the IOSH membership?? If you haven't heard of the IOSH passport, how many of your clients are likely to know about it, or give acceptance to it? Its a case of better the devil you know. Dave
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#16 Posted : 21 December 2006 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Dave, I'm inclined to agree. That's what I think CSCS are banking on, hence such poor service so far. It would be nice if IOSH took Tony's advice however.
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#17 Posted : 21 December 2006 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 Jim, to answer your question, I've not come across any site where this is an acceptable alternative to CSCS
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#18 Posted : 21 December 2006 22:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By sauce I can personally think of an examination -----(what u surf on) which is now only interested in making money from their courses, otherwise why would you have to sit an exam (and pay for again)you probably took more than 5 years ago as an add on to a certificate you want to achieve to further your career. All safety practitioners are constantly managing H & S for our employers and clients this is how you gain competency as well as taking an examination. But a course for a professional qualification should only require the content to be relative to the subject you want to achieve, not have add on's. Money making schemes, this is the tip of the iceberg
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#19 Posted : 22 December 2006 09:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Remember CSCS is for Construction we have also had to do SPA, CCNSG and now IOSH you must be having a laugh!! So it depemnds on what industry you are in, and like every business venture with these training providers, they do not recognise each other, even though they all cover the same syllabus
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#20 Posted : 28 December 2006 22:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dan dan blimey, CSCS Gerfawwwwwwww CPCS (soso) Gas Passport, Water Passport, hygiene tickets IOSH Passport guild of master builder and funny walk passport you cant come in here if you are not in my club passport no wonder the boys on the ground are getting narked, we spend all our time doing one day training courses depending on what site we are working on, which funementally amounts to the same thing. isnt it about time all these "clubs" amalgamate and get one common standard which is worth having. If its IOSH fair play go for it. CSCS have earnt a lot of money on the back of these worthless cards
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#21 Posted : 30 December 2006 12:29:00(UTC)
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