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#1 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lee Cowdrey
We recently ran a disaster recovery scenario exercise which highlighted a gap in the accuracy of our roll calling / reporting process due to being multi site. The difficulty is that we have personnel that on occasions travel inter site (i.e. IT) and it is not always possible to keep track of everyones where abouts.
Has anyone experienced similar issues that could suggest a way to make our process more robust?

Thanks in advance
Lee
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#2 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By cara
Also have similar concerns - so would be interested to hear others ideas!!
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#3 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris G
We have a similar problem and get staff to sign in an out on local fire registers.

Chris G
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#4 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Andrew Scott
I have 34 buildings on our site, each has a fire ladder (in out board) so if IT for instance leave their building they slide their name to out and upon entering another building they slide a visitor tag to in. All persons are instructed to report to the assembly point of what ever building they are in at the time of the emergency. I find this works quite well.

James
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#5 Posted : 11 January 2007 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Is this because the travellers between sites do not want to be shown as in transit, or TOO important to clock in / out, or sign books?

We have a swipe system for clocking in purposes, but the fire lists in each area are an indication of where people are working during the day.

Changes - ie movement between production lines are shown on the team leader fire roll call lists, and senior managers will tell a receptionist where they are going.

It's not rocket science, BUT , it does need everyone to willingly participate and tell a central area person when they are moving to another work site.

I find that Directors and Senior Managers are the most difficult to track, along with multi site engineering staff.

It can be done, with continual nudges to those who want to be anonymous amongst the travellers for whatever personal reason - usually found at one of several local sandwich shops !!

I should point that this system is ok for over 1000 people on five areas within a mile of each other.
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#6 Posted : 11 January 2007 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234
you could always use a sweep system for evacuations rather than a roll call
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#7 Posted : 11 January 2007 18:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
I'm with anon. In 30 years I've never come across a 100% fool proof roll call system. Even swipe-card systems can be fooled.

Rely on trained sweeps.

All the fire brigade is worried about is "anyone in there ?"

Merv
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#8 Posted : 12 January 2007 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher
The sweep method is by far the best. Don't forget the toilets.
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#9 Posted : 12 January 2007 09:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Holliday
Whilst agreeing that roll calls are difficult to manage with large numbers of people and particularly multi site scenario's, I have always had a niggling feeling that sweeps are only truly effective in non-fire situations.

If a building is on fire, only a brave/stupid fire marshall would do an effective sweep!

FB "Is anyone left inside?
Marshall "Don't know, I was too busy running from the flames!"
FB enter fire situation to search at great risk, only to find that building is clear.

Discuss

PS Sorry Lee for highjacking the original intent of your thread. When I managed the same scenario local sign in/out sheets were used.

Steve
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#10 Posted : 12 January 2007 09:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234
Steve, as Merv says I've yet to see a truly effective and foolproof roll call system - the only way you can be certain that no-one is in the building is if everyone is accounted for outside (i.e. physically seen and signed off).

The sweep system relies on fire wardens reporting that their area of the building was clear. clearly there will be bits of the building where this can't be confirmed for wahtever reason and these are the ones you notify to the fire brigade for further action (to be decided by them)
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#11 Posted : 12 January 2007 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris G
The nearest I've seen to foolproof only works on single site. Access to site is via a single manned entry poing where a tag is picked up. On evacuation - via several routes tag is deposited in a control box at the assembly point. Result- we know everyones out and ID of anyone left behind.
Even this has flaws - when someone takes a tag home at the end of work, or fogets to drop it in the box at an evac.

Chris G
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#12 Posted : 12 January 2007 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Holliday
Annon,

I fully agree with you, in terms of roll calls not being 100% foolproof. What I was suggesting that in an actual fire situation it is probably a given that the sweep system would not be fully effective but there is at least a possibility that the roll call would work.

What clouds the issue is that in a non fire exercise the sweep system rarely fails (as previously discussed) but the roll call system can be shown to fail during exercises.

I haven't got, nor am I suggesting which is best, I am simply using this discussion forum for a discussion.
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#13 Posted : 15 January 2007 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lee Cowdrey
Thank you all for your comments so far, they have given me some food for thought.
We currently have nominated people that do carry out a sweep of their area but only as they themselves evacuate their area as our primary intention is to get our people out. They then report to their evacuation point where a roll call is conducted. We do use in / out boards but mainly in office areas, where at shop floor level operators should communicate with their team leader prior to visiting another site.
As mentioned in my initial thread, due to being multi site we have difficulty in ensuring the whereabouts of all personnel which causes us concerns, and occasionally them not reporting in to the incident controller doesn't help things.
I do appreciate that implementing a system that is 100% accurate is some task to achieve so will gladly settle for 99.9%.

Thanks again for all your comments
Lee
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