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Posted By Paul Purvis
we will be working in a passageway approx 650mm wide and need to drill into the wall at approx 1.9 metre, I cant find a low narrow podium, we need to have had rails and can not use ladders as the site does not allow them. Any suggestions?
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Posted By Paul Purvis
Many thanks Philby for a quick response! however it is not a stair but a flat passageway, basically I need a 'cut down' narrowed micropodium!
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney
What about the small platform podiums that A plant hire out? fairly small with a guard rail and would suit the height you are working at.
Fits through a conventionally opening door which is a bonus.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
At that width, I hope your drill bit isn't too long! I would imagine that ,standing on a kick stool,and with your back braced against the opposite wall, there would be little chance of falling?
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Posted By Mike Miller
I know you say ladders and steps are banned but there are some very good podium steps out there. We to do not allow steps but on many projects the electricians need to access awkward areas in small plant rooms etc, They use podium steps with a RA & MS. platforms are just too big. Podium steps are different in that they have outriggers, handrails and tool platform as standard. try that very fast hire company????
good luck
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Posted By Paul Purvis
Many thanks for all the input, I am visiting site again over the next 2 days and will discuss some of your ideas.
snip>would imagine that ,standing on a kick stool,and with your back braced against the opposite wall,>snip
Unfortunatly one of the walls is what we are bracing :~(
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Posted By Catman
Hi Paul
Unless I am misreading this, you are talking about a drilling height of 1.9 metres, which means for an employee 1.8 metres in height to drill at just below shoulder level the feet will need to be less than 200mm (7 inches from ground level).
If the risk is falling backwards due to the drilling pressure, where, in a 600mm wide corridor are they going to fall to?
At this height, even with a 7 tread stepladder, you would be standing way below the centre of gravity and would need to do something fairly drastic to tip it over sideways.
I understand the need for a stable platform, but surely insisting on a handrail at this height, in this situation has much more to do with ticking legislative boxes than it has to do with practical safety.
However, as I have not seen the job, or done the risk assessment, I may be ranting needlessly?
Cheers
TW
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Posted By Dave Jackson
Sorry Paul, don't mean to be pedantic, but with a corridor of 650m/m I think you will have trouble walking down it never mind drilling holes in the wall. (650m/m = 25.6 inches)
Sure its just a typo
Dave J
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Posted By Paul Purvis
OK, Inches I can cope with :)
mm and cm always a problem!
yep its a typo, mind you with the volume of people who on certain occassions use it, I am surprised that there is not anothe H&S issue, but that one not for me :~)
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Posted By Paul Purvis
TW asked: if the risk is falling backwards due to the drilling pressure, where, in a 600mm wide corridor are they going to fall to?
PP. along the corridor is what the site said
TW asked: At this height, even with a 7 tread stepladder, you would be standing way below the centre of gravity and would need to do something fairly drastic to tip it over sideways.
PP. this I agree, but then is this what the risk assessment should cover?
TW asked: I understand the need for a stable platform, but surely insisting on a handrail at this height, in this situation has much more to do with ticking legislative boxes than it has to do with practical safety.
PP. In the 'old days' pre 05 legs, we would probably stood on a toolbox which has the reinforced top and done the job. In a way it is ticking boxes.
TW asked: However, as I have not seen the job, or done the risk assessment, I may be ranting needlessly?
PP. the job/client is high legislative, I started one method statement 10 months ago and it is still going back and forward (and thats for another thread, it is frustrating as not every H&S sign-off person works to the same playing field.
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Posted By Catman
Paul
My own experience as a subby was that some sites would just say, in situations like yours, we have banned steps on this site and will not bend.
This is despite the fact that in some cases they are by far the best alternative.
That is not risk management and it really winds me up. The suggestion then often follows that you are asking them to lower their safety standards, when really you are simply advocating common sense?
I took a set of steps to my clients head office one evening, where I presented our risk assessment and method of work and then carried out a practical demonstration in their meeting room to demonstrate exactly the point you are faced with. It worked in that case, but not with another client.
Good luck.
TW
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Posted By Clive Lowery
Paul,
I had some bumph dropped on my desk earlier today with regard to a small hop up with hand rails.
It might fit the bill if you can confirm the minimum dimensions. I can either fax or scan and email the details if you want.
The firm are based in leeds but I believe supply nationwide.
Drop me an email if you want a copy.
Regards
Clive
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Posted By Adrian Clifton
Paul
Try showing them a copy of INDG402 (Safe use of ladders and stepladders)& INDG403 (A toolbox talk on leaning ladder and stepladder safety), point out that even the HSE do not ban ladders. They just need to be suitable and used safely.
And I suppose the client/employer blames Elf 'n' Safety for banning their use.
I sometimes fear that there is no future for sensible H&S. Now, where did I put those 5 metre stilts?
Adrian
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