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Posted By MICHAEL T
Is the failure of a 4 leg chain, during a crane lift, reportable under RIDDOR
I have always thought that this comes under the "any load bearing part of" heading.
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Posted By I McDonald
Michael
I agree with your interpretation. Also, company I work for had similar event last November. I checked with HSE Help desk (not much help), referred to RIDDOR ICC who said reportable, then checked with other H&S technical support lines. All said Reportable.
Ian
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Posted By MICHAEL T
Thanks Ian
It's as I thought, however there's a complication developing. The chain leg which broke did not cause the load to drop (as they had other legs attached). The arguement now is that it was not load-bearing.
Mike
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Posted By Anthony Elsmore
Hi Micheal,
This is a dangerous occurence under Schedule 2.
The duty to report is if there is a failure of lifting machinary or any part of it.
The chain leg was load bearing at the time of the failure- it was the load that caused it to fail.
Whether the load dropped as a result of this failure is irrelevant.
Cheers Ant
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Posted By Ken Dickson
Michael,
Technically, the lifting tackle is not a load bearing part of the crane. I defence of this I offer the following…
1. The word “crane” is not defined in the regulations, therefore a dictionary definition would need to be used. No dictionary definition is going to include attachments used as an interface between the crane and the load in the definition of crane.
2. You could just as easily content the lifting gear is part of the load as the weight of the lifting gear will be included as part of the load being lifted by the crane.
3. If the lifting gear were a load bearing part of the crane it would need to be inspected with the crane and referenced on the inspection report as an attachment for the crane.
That said… it would be brave and foolish individual who did not report the failure under RIDDOR.
Ken
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Posted By iainf
Sounds a dangerous occurrence to me, which makes it reportable. The leg that failed put extra load on the other 3, which in turn could have caused them to fail also. And that could have been fatal.
iain
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Posted By Delwynne
I was interested to see I McDonalds response as I have been given precisely the opposite advice in the past!
I was told that the wording " collapse, overturning or failure of load-bearing parts of lifts and lifting equipment" referred to "equipment" quite specifically the chains were "accessories" under LOLER and so therefore not reportable - interesting how interpretation varies from person to person.
Perhaps you'd be best off approaching the HSE & asking them if they want it reporting or not?
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Posted By I McDonald
Delwynne
it was put to me that the lifting accessory (in my case a 3T web sling), was attached to the lifting equipment (80T crane). As a lift was being conducted, the accessory then became an integral part of the equipment and the failure under load made it reportable. When you read the definitions of lifting equipment under LOLER and the requirements for reporting under RIDDOR, it becomes as clear as mud. That's why I checked numerous sources for clarification.
Ian
PS it does not surprise me that the same situation was interpreted differently (as I say, clear as mud).
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