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Posted By Anders Molko
In the Building Regualtions,
it says fire alarms have to be checked weekly. But we have 10 portacabins around the country (monitoring stations) than would sometimes have men in them (so technically there a place of work)but not very often.
I know it doesnt make sense to have them checked every week when men will on be at the portacabins every now and again (it would cost us a fortune as these stations are really remote), but is there anything in legislation that can help me having to have them checked every week?
Thanks for your help
Gary
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Posted By Anders Molko
Do i actually have to have fire alarms and emergency lighting? Cos if I dont, I wont put them in and then they dont need to be checked?
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Are these small cabins with one door in which you can exit easily then dont bother!
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Posted By Anders Molko
I know i shouldnt bother, but the client wants it in legislation that we dont need them.
Or is there a certain type of fire alarm that is stated in a standard that it doesnt have to be checked weekly but quaterly or annually?
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Posted By Crim
Anders,
"the client wants it in legislation that we dont need them" (Your words).
I think you need to tell the client that if legislation doesn't say you need them then you don't!
I we had to have legislation for everything we don't need how many acts of parliament would there be?
On the issue of testing fire alarms in cabins, can't you just ask the user to test the alarms every week when the cabins are in use?
I'm sure it's in their interests to ensure safety equipment works.
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Posted By Andrew Rushton Single door porta cabin! Generally no need for fire alarms and emergency lighting. Put a fire action notice in them where sounding the alrm is to shout fire. Unless you are storing significant quantities of something flammable or expolosive in them, then of course you may need derection etc. Check these guides, it will all make sense. http://www.communities.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1162115
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
The alarm is to warn people in or around the container there is a fire. If no-one is there the alarm is obsolete. Put a sign on the door and supply a tick sheet. 'Please Check fire alarm when you arrive. Report faults to xxx or replace battery'.
I would check that each station has correct access equipment to check the fire alarm. That'll be the next problem. (You could always use a sturdy chair but don't tell anyone i said so.)
Peter
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Advise your client that the relevant legislation (The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005)says:
"Fire-fighting and fire detection
13. —(1) Where necessary (whether due to the features of the premises, the activity carried on there, any hazard present or any other relevant circumstances) in order to safeguard the safety of relevant persons, the responsible person must ensure that—
(a) the premises are, to the extent that it is appropriate, equipped with appropriate fire-fighting equipment and with fire detectors and alarms; and
(b) any non-automatic fire-fighting equipment so provided is easily accessible, simple to use and indicated by signs.
(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1) what is appropriate is to be determined having regard to the dimensions and use of the premises, the equipment contained on the premises, the physical and chemical properties of the substances likely to be present and the maximum number of persons who may be present at any one time."
Note the key words "where necessary" and "as appropriate".
Then show your client your Fire Risk Assessment which confirms that fire alarms are considered unnecessary and inappropriate.
Unless of course the purpose here is to protect remotely located high value equipment using automatic fire detection and suppression equipment, but that's a different matter (even so, weekly checks would be excessive, particularly as a lot of this kind of kit can be remotely fault monitored anyway!)
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