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#1 Posted : 22 February 2007 12:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh
I have checked the 1972 regs and the ACOPs HSG 51 & 140 and I am unsure if there is a rqeuirement (rather then just guidance) to store drums of highly flammable liquids outside (rather than inside a store room).

Is outside just best practice or a requirement? If so is there a trigger quantity?
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#2 Posted : 22 February 2007 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By iainf
check out the dsear 2002 regs.
they state you must do a risk assessment and put in control measure to eliminate or redue the risk. i would stay storing outside would reduce the risk considerably.

iain
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#3 Posted : 27 February 2007 22:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Clark
Garyh
check the HFL&LPG again - there is a volume in Litres for max storage in a workroom (not store room).
Rgds
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#4 Posted : 28 February 2007 09:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Gary

Once you have checked the contents of the HFL&LPG regs for advice you can forget them as law. They were repealed by DSEAR 2002 and this is the legislation that is to be met. You can use everything else as good practice.

I think you need to explore the use of competent advice in this area before anything goes ahead

Bob
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#5 Posted : 28 February 2007 10:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phillip
Highly flammables are best stored outside.
Keep no more than you need indoors (say) for one shift.
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#6 Posted : 28 February 2007 19:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Clark
Surely the implimentation of CAD and ATEX within DSEAR would reflect the requirements of the old HFL&LPG when carrying out a risk assessment to determine what "reduce the quantity of dangerous substance to a minimum" means? If this is not the case, where do you go for a lead on what is a minimum. If the argument is that it should be only that required for use, then for how long? An hour, shift, day... DSEAR raises all sorts of questions that have to be answered and from recent personal experience, the HSE doesn't want to answer them - responding with it's up to your risk assessment; that is until something goes wrong. Basing your judgements on similar legislation, although repealed, when no other or limited guidance exists is as good a starting point as any other. I recently went to HSL at Buxton for a presentation on DSEAR and took the oportunity to ask some questions, guess what - yep, didn't get an answer for my particular problem. I feel that there is still a place for prescriptive legislation within a framework of risk assessment rather than just relying wholly on judgement; hindsight seems to be the friend of the enforcement of risk assessment legislation. Cynical???
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#7 Posted : 01 March 2007 08:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By iainf
im sure under the dsear regs it is recommended that the maximum you keep indoors is 50 litres. Any more than that then it should be outside.

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