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Posted By William
When i studied H&S i had to study environmental management as well, as well as all the science subjects for underpinning knowledge (but i don't go on about it!). To say the least i bloody hated the subject and used to curse regularly , especially when our lecturer took us to a landfill site on the outskirts of Edinburgh in January one year and it was snowing and freezing and he decided to have a long conversation on the bloody landfill!
It is right what you are saying though and that is that environmental will become a bigger part of everyone's job roles in years to come and if there is to be any significant progress made then people with realistic and practicable expectations must ensure that tree huggers who would like to drag us all the way back to the stone age are not the only voice to be heard.
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Posted By DaveW
I agree Wiliiam, we should give an ear to those tree huggers that are trying to drag us kicking and screaming into the 21st century instead.
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Posted By Dan dan
the labels of tree hugging is a label which would be hard to shake off just as much as the safety brigade with ill fitting grey suits and unkempt beards (which I am certainly not)"grin"
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Posted By William
Hmm badly fitting suits and bad beards, I only have the best fitting suits and my beard is well kept and very fashionable. I think thats more a an issue of pride in your appearance and taste Dan, but each to their own.
Both areas have a problem with their public image and some of it is down to the media, but much of the blame lies with practitioners as you have the one section who's attitudes are far too extreme and give the profession the bad name in the first place and then you have the others who are more practicable and use their common sense to keep issues in persective.
The only problem is the latter also tend to keep quiet for fear of upsetting the hard core extremists who will attempt to scream anyone down who does not have the same point of view as them, this section is probably more to blame for the negative image of the professions as they know better but do not want a confrontation with the overly aggressive extremists. As most can see i have no problem with confronting this section of the profession and it is time for all who are involved in HS&E to do the same and then the labels and negative media stereotypes will be a thing of the past.
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Posted By Pete48
William, your ability to keep this thread running is of almost Olympian proportion.
As Winston Churchill once remarked
"To look is one thing, to see what you look at is another. To understand what you see is another. To learn from what you understand is something else. But to act on what you learn is all that really matters."
That is the real challenge for complex and huge issues such as those you discuss here.
As we can see from the thread, there is a long way to go before even the simplest agreement on exactly what the issue is, never mind the solution.
Like Merv, I can see the toenails of my elephant in front of me and can start on them without the need to look further, without commitment to any science or feeling any need to impose my view or opinion on anyone else.
If asked for help or my current opinion, I will gladly give it. However, you call for confrontation. Remember that is exactly what the extremists want; it promotes argument and stifles progress.
Good luck with your campaign. By way of some feedback; you have neither added to my understanding nor changed my opinion about this subject as this thread progressed.
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Posted By William
Thanks for the criticism pete and your contribution, you will notice one thing though and that is that i asked others for their opinions (did not take some aboard though) . I did not seek to influence or enhance others understanding or opinions i asked for their opinions, and many contributions have been excellent, particularly Davew's.
If this thread is still going it is because issues are being discussed, if you don't like it, don't read or contribute.
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Posted By Pete48
William, I think you attribute things to my post that are not there when I read it.
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Posted By Dan dan
was this a five minute arguement or the full hour ? as quoted by our dear friends Monty python and crew
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
As AUG 1 clearly states that "The forums are for professional discussion and debate of workplace health and safety and environmental issues" and as the author of this thread has not permitted the informed and consensus views of others to thrive, a moderating decision has now been taken to lock this thread.
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