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Posted By Bruce
Hi all,
my question is if it is in line with legislation to properly secure ladders in place from movement by tieing them off with rope (on top and below), especially when the ladder is used for acces to scaffold platform (tube and coupler type)
secondly, for the same matter, can rope be used for the planking of the platform if you can prove that it is properly secured for movement as well?
Thanks,
Bruco
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Posted By Lee Mac
Bruce,
Yes rope can be used, however, like all tying off methods it needs to be regularly inspected to ensure that it remains effective.
One thing though, if you use rope- you need to ensure that no works are carried out in close proximity that may damage the rope itself e.g. hot works- sparks may burn the rope.
Hope this helps.
Lee
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Can I again ask the question that I always do - Why are you using ladders for scaffolds?
It seems to me that industry is totally fixated on the use of ladders as a temporary access arrangement. As a consequence the problems of tie points and methods continues to dog every thought. Unless there is no other suitable method I believe that we need some form of cultural shift to get away from reliance on what is actually a grossly inefficient means of accessing heights.
Sorry for the rant:-)
Bob
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Posted By Lee Mac
Bob,
I suggest you take another look at Bruce's posting- it refers to ladders as means of access to a scaffolding platform- which is perfectly fine.
Lee
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Posted By Peter Leese
A shame. I thought a perfectly reasonable question had resulted in a perfectly reasonable answer.
Why then does it have to go off on a tangent, why not start another thread on alternative means of access?
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Lee
I suppose if you want to 9mpose additional risks compared to a staircase then a ladder is fine. But I find that people are always thinking that you should automatically use ladders on scaffolds. I really wish to question the mindset that is inherent in such statements.
Of course ropes can be used as ties provided they are of sufficient strength but I also know that they get untied, as do screw fastened clips etc. One lift shaft scaffold I witnessed recently had all ladder ties removed from the ground to 16th floor level. This however is one case in which ladders have to be used. The problem I had though was that 5 metre ladders were used continuously one above the other rising through a series of openings one above the other giving a 16 floor drop. If we use ladders we need to manage them properly, the best way I know is not to have them unless absolutely essential.
Bob
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Posted By Eddie Campbell
Bruce
No problems with using rope for lashing providing there are not any hot work issues as pointed out by Lee.
From experience scaffolders usually use purpose made wire rope scaffold lashings which are manufactured from 6mm or 9mm diameter fibre cored wire rope. They come in standard lengths of 6 ft and 15 ft or 1.83 m and 4.6 m if you have need modernised.
They also have an eye with a wire rope thimble crimped on one end (or talurit terminated to be precise) to ensure that they can be secured sufficiently. The other end is ususlly terminated with a sleeve to prevent the wire rope unlaying.
The scaffolders usually use these for securing ladders and for tying down boards in preference to fibre ropes.
HTH
Eddie
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Posted By Scott Fisher
Bruce,
I recently carried out a scaffold inspectors course via CITB and I am sure they said that it was dependant on the material used to construct the ladder. I think it was fine on wooden ladders, but should be avoided on ladders made of metal as the movement of the ladder being climbed can fray the ropes.
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