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Posted By Martin Thorpe
I have a dilema on a fire risk assessment.
An outside specialist carried out a fire risk assessment for one of our premises (a small workshop adjacent to a public area). The assessor recommended that signage must be displayed on the outside of the workshops indicating the presence of explosive gases. The assessor indicated that there may be a risk to fire service personnel in a fire situation if they are unaware of a volatile substance such as acetylene. However, because of the location of the workshop (town and area) and the high rate of crime in the area, I believe that such signage would increase the risk of arson.
Does anyone have any advice? I'm thinking of calling the local fire service for their take on this issue.
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Posted By J Knight
Gosh Martin, quite a tricky one. The new RR(FS)O does require you to be mindful of fire crew's safety, but on the other hand an increased risk of arson automatically increases risk to fire crews. I think you're right to take the advice of your local fire service,
John
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Posted By Geoff Parkinson
Hi Martin
Is the access door leading directly into the public access area? If the door is hidden from normal view, perhaps it could be appropriately labelled.
Alternatively, forward a copy of the details to your local fire service HQ with a view of the information being added to their address database. If you approach the local station, only they will be aware of the risk - and there is a possiblity that they might not be first on the scene in an emergency.
However, by adding the details to the mobilising database EVERY attending appliance will be made aware of the potential problems. This was a poular practice in the fire sevice whilst I was there, actively encouraged by personnel as it added to their safety.
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Posted By Fred Pratley
You describe the premises as a workshop. Does that mean a car repair workshop where an Oxy/Acetelyne set can be reasonably anticipated? Certainly talk to the local fire station. I have always found ours to be extremely helpful.
However, if you advertise you have a welding set, I'd have thought you would have been more likely to burglary!
I would seriously consider a standard "compressed gas" sign on the outer door and inside I would dedicate one place for the set to be stored overnight, with a big highly reflective sign above it that can be seen as soon as you get in the door.
Fred
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Posted By Frank Newman
Sign and be damned.
You have to alert fire crews. I really don't care about the H&S of vandals but I do care about the lives of fire crews. They need to know.
Merv
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Posted By TBC
Agree with you to call the local Fire and Rescue Services for their take on it.
You will be surprised how safety conscious our firefighters are these days. My sons were talking the other day and I mentioned the tail-lift supports on my partners Toyota Celica - they said that are well aware of the dangers of the compressed gas issues here, so I'm sure they will be well aware of the potential behind closed doors and what may be involved. When I was in the job a 'few' years ago we liked to get out and about visiting local premises to familiarise ourselves with the layout of the buildings and the contents. No harm in inviting your local crews on a visit.
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Posted By shaun mckeever
The sign must be in the accepted 'hazmat' format. I can't quite remember the code but it will be along the line 'Cylinders 2SE'. Your local fire service ought to be able to advise you on the correct code. Potential arsonists are unlikely to undrstand the meaning but the fire service will.
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