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#1 Posted : 28 February 2007 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim This is something that happens every day outside my son's school. You all know what I'm talking about - a line of cars parked on one side of the road restricting the road width. Cars moving up and down the road with those on the opposite side from the parked cars having to drive with 2 wheels on the pavement. How unsafe can this be? A pavement outside a school and drivers putting pedestrians at risk. Trouble is when you don't go on the pavement to allow other cars to pass you get the height of abuse from other drivers. I stand my ground when I have the right of way because I refuse to put others at risk. It also damages the tyres which aren't cheap these days. I wonder what other safety professionals do in these circumstances?
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#2 Posted : 28 February 2007 15:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze Walk the kids to school.
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#3 Posted : 28 February 2007 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phillipe Walk the kids much easier, but then the school is only 400yrds away. Interesting this week, the gas contractors are in renewing pipes and such like. What do they do, yes they have dug up both paths, on either side of the road, forcing parents and children to walk in the road for 100yrds or so whilst the traffic is driving moving along. Very inconsiderate and downright dangerous if you ask me.
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#4 Posted : 28 February 2007 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clarke Kent the 2nd I opt for the not having kids option myself. You could always use public transport, then the bus driver will have to worry their little head over putting tyres on the kerb rather than you.
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#5 Posted : 28 February 2007 16:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Depends on the road markings, but certainly get the police involved. If it's reported (even if you have to report a couple of times) and they don't do anything about it and then something was to happen they would be in the do-da. At least you will have tried to do something.
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#6 Posted : 28 February 2007 16:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Daniell Very similar issue outside our local school and one which I have experienced from both sides (car driver and pedestrian). The dangers to children walking to school along these roads are obvious and the warning signs (damaged brick walls, damaged street furniture) are all there to see. So what is to be done? locals / parents have staged campaigns up and down the pavement / community police have been involved but still the behaviours of drivers is unchanged. Given that we can't turn the clock back on car ownership then I suggest enforcement of parking restrictions is the only short term answer. If we choose to use our cars for the school run then we have a responsibility to park so as not to be a danger to others.
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#7 Posted : 28 February 2007 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney Have I read this correctly, is the road too narrow for two cars to pass? If so, there must be parking/stopping restrictions. I know in my area police or traffic wardens come out every now and then. Unfortunately this doesn't stop the parents who are bad drivers. Once when I was passing where they were doing gas pipe work the workman said just drive on the pavement. As it was a very high pavement I thought I might scrape the bottom of my car so I made them move all their stuff til I got by. They'd learned their lesson and followed Chapter 8 for next day! I sometmes feel in circumstances like this that I wish I had one of those monster trucks and can just drive over them. Schools sometimes also send letters to the parents. Lilian
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#8 Posted : 28 February 2007 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith Ralph People parking on the pavements should be banned totally. I feel sorry for parents with their children having to walk in the road to get round cars, but they are sighted, consider the visually impaired, whether using a white cane or having a Guide Dog with them. They have to walk in the road with restricted or no sight. I do a lot of voluntary work for the partially sighted, and know how it effects their lives. I feel anyone who parks on the pavement should be fined and even have points on their license. Keith
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#9 Posted : 28 February 2007 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Well done Lilian and thanks to those who have replied responsibly. The road is wide enough for 2 cars to pass but not when cars are parked against the kerb. There are no restrictions in place and it is drivers who have nothing to do with the school that are abusive. There is also a bend in the road that contributes to the problem. By the sound of responders so far it looks as if lots of our fellow safety professionals are treating this with indifference - could it be that they also drive on the pavement. Hands up those who don't!
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#10 Posted : 28 February 2007 16:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Yes keith, I also have a disabled daughter and find we have to take her in the wheelchair around the offending vehicles that are on the pavement.
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#11 Posted : 28 February 2007 17:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Various authorities trying to blitz this via e.g. "Safer routes to school" initiatives. P
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#12 Posted : 01 March 2007 08:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Homer Pure laziness on drivers part and very dangerous, contact local authority or the police they should take a very dim view of the whole thing, maybe a few parking tickets would change the mindset.
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#13 Posted : 01 March 2007 08:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stupendous Man I used to live near to an infant and junior school, which was situated on a busy road. The Police used to turn a blind eye to double parking as in their eyes it narrowed the road and made the flow of traffic slower, thus reducing the risk of an accident or injury to a child crossing the road. Obviously they considered that this far outweighed the risk of children emerging from behind parked cars into an (albeit slower) flow of traffic. Having said that, this all comes back to the current, sad situation, where an increasing number of people think that they have a god-given right to drive exactly how they want, without consideration for others. It seems that we cannot enforce motoring laws for fear of infringing their 'human rights'. I'm formly of the belief that driving risk assessments, travel to work plans and risk assessments regarding the movement of pedestrians (including children) should all make reference to the fact that there are people out there who do not drive according to the law or prevailing conditions.
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#14 Posted : 01 March 2007 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Thanks for all responsed so far. While I do realise that parking is the root cause of the problem here, parents will travel by car and they will continue to park in the same location each morning, therefore that part of the problem will not go away. There is usually a queue of cars with the right of way so no room to reverse and unsafe to reverse as there is a blind bend as well. I am worried about the bullying tactics of drivers who demand other drivers drive onto the pavement to let them pass. I get some abuse myself when I don't go on the pavement - once an old lady gave me the V sign 'cos I stood my ground and she must have been at least 65 years old.
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#15 Posted : 01 March 2007 10:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney My work mate has just said that at her daughters school the school has come to an agreement with the local supermarket that parents can leave their cars there and walk the kids to school from there. This seems a good arrangement to me as its a school which serves a wide area an is in the city. Of caourse you need something close at hand for this to work. I'm not sure (pills I'm on makes me forget things) but in the depth of my brain I seem to remember that it can be an instant £50 fine for parking on a pavement - or at least it used to be. Again you'd need the police to enforce it.
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#16 Posted : 01 March 2007 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC I think I'd be tempted to add a few scratches if I had push a wheelchair around the offending vehicles - accidents do happen ;-) Oh dear - never mind eh!
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#17 Posted : 02 March 2007 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Palfrey Hey, be fair, this is about the only off-roading those 4x4s will ever do. Be careful out there Mike
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#18 Posted : 02 March 2007 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Darren J Fraser It is amazing what a friend in the Police can achieve on their day off, by walking the child to school whilst in uniform, the abuse soon stopped when other drivers saw them get into a friends car for a lift home. Seriously, contact the school and the local police about this issue, sometimes a letter from the school can be semi effective, unfortunately there are some people whom seem to think that because they have a car they can do as they wish.
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#19 Posted : 02 March 2007 17:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Newman Not really being involved in this, kids here get bussed to school from local villages, may I suggest that all teachers agree to block the road with their vehicles every morning, maybe a couple of hundred meters from the school ? At both ends. This might help to break the town-tractor habit and at least ensure that kids walk at least a few hundred metres every day ? My youngest is now well over 40 And it's Friday. Merv
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#20 Posted : 02 March 2007 18:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Meiklejohn can't they just put up no parking and no waiting restrictions?
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