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#1 Posted : 05 March 2007 14:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By robert sherred
Can anyone help me with preparing a Risk Assessment for the walking on pebbles, stones, uneven surfaces.
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#2 Posted : 05 March 2007 15:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte
If your just walking and not carrying anything and it is not dark and not on a gradiant and not wet then perhaps just sturdy flat shoes / boots with good ankle support. If your juggling glass bottles of chemicals maybe you would need to look further into it.

So it depends what the risks are and if they are greater than slip trip fall at ground level.

But always use hierarchy of control, can you remove uneven surfaces, can you walk round them etc....
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#3 Posted : 05 March 2007 15:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney
Can you not cure the uneven surface, remove the stones and the pebbles and eliminate the need for any RA? If you can't, then apart from the above in terms of suitable shoes cant really see what you need to assess.
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#4 Posted : 05 March 2007 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By robert sherred
Thanks for your suggestions.
The risk cannot be removed I.e the pebbles until such time as they have been sampled for Beta Radation. Once cleared for radiation they will all be removed by mechanical means.
In the meantime we have 20 isolated samples to take over a 2000 square metre area.This will nessesitate individuals walking over an uneven surface.
We have already suffered loss time accidents of uncontrolled access to these areas!!
Suggested controls of ;
Pre job brief
selection of fit operatives
Raise awareness of hazard.(uneven surface)
Correct PPE (ankle boots)
Any others iv'e missed???

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#5 Posted : 05 March 2007 17:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter squires
does this mean I need a risk assessment before I take my kids walking on the beach?
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#6 Posted : 06 March 2007 11:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
In extreme, if you are getting repeated injuries, you could consider temporary walkways (boarding), quad bikes, or even snow shoe type approach.
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#7 Posted : 06 March 2007 11:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Petrie
In the rail industry staff walk on track ballast & pebbles all the time. They just have to be aware they're doing it and have suitable footwear, we insist they have ankle support.
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#8 Posted : 06 March 2007 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Ummm? Just a question but is the activity walking on pebbles some sort of task??? Forgive me for being dull but what is the actual activity here. The type of floor or ground is a condition not a task. This trivia is what gets some peoples back up and promotes the safety overce culture. Let's get real for heavens sake.
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#9 Posted : 06 March 2007 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Just to echo Bob's response, what is it in this work activity that compounds the risk? Walking along a beach holding a radiation counter isn't really that much different from walking the dog!
Sturdy foot wear with good ankle support. End of story?
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#10 Posted : 06 March 2007 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
"We have already suffered loss time accidents"

Lost time accidents are not trivia - I would suggest that only looking at part of the problem is what will get us a bad name every time.

Obviously it is not like walking the dog - unless you too are suffering accidents?

The post by Robert is a legitimate enquiry because he has foreseen a risk and wants some ideas.
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#11 Posted : 06 March 2007 14:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By robert sherred
Thank you Tabs.
I appreciate that some may interpret this as a trivial issue. However having previously suffered loss time accidents this certainly is a real Risk that needs managing.

I do not sign up to Bonkers Conkers, and certainly have no interest in fueling that on-going debate!!
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#12 Posted : 06 March 2007 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Not to keep on for the sake of it but what is the task? Walking on pebbles? For what purpose? Is it part of a wider activity such as inspecting something , making something, using something? Get my drift? One response talked about railway ballast, walking on railway ballast is not the task. The task is working on the track either doing inspection or maintaining the railway. The fact that walking on ballast is part of the job does not mean you need to risk assess the walking activity but rather the bigger task of maintaining the railway and the rest is associated stuff that needs to be taken into account and not separately risk assessed.
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#13 Posted : 06 March 2007 17:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally
As mentioned in an earlier post the task is to collect samples for testing for radiation. This suggests that the walking on pebbles is one of the hazards within the Risk Assessment for which control measures should be put in place. Others presumably would be the potential levels of radiation, any manual handling issues etc.
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#14 Posted : 06 March 2007 22:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By isfew
The activity appears to be:

'Taking radiation readings from a certain area on a pebble beach prior to possible remediation'

Hazards:

- Ionising radiation 'low level' ????
- Trips and falls 'on pebbles/uneven surface'
- Manual Handling 'Equipment etc.'
- Weather conditions 'we are on a beach..stormy?'

What controls are already in place?
- Trained staff
- PPE..weather proof clothing, safety boots, etc.
- Rad. counters

Bearing this in mind...what is the assessed level of risk regarding the hazards and with the controls already in place???

Medium - High, prioritise and do something!
Low - Current controls are likely to be fit for purpose.

Sorry for the long winded reply....just doing a RA in my head with my own picture of the situation.....may be of some assistance. Focus on the hazards likely to cause significant harm try to avoid the 'trivial'.

Ian.
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#15 Posted : 07 March 2007 11:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By John J
Robert,
without seeing the task its difficult to assess but it sounds like boots with ankle support would be your best option. If you don't need the toe protection a good quality walking boot should help.
Clearly where there is an issue with access and previous evidence of injury this is something you have to include in your assessment.
Heightening awareness through your pre job briefs is important but you need to ensure that any new starters are captured when they start.
My only worry is that with a couple of the posts we are so adverse to being labelled with the 'Bonkers Conkers' tag that we are in danger of ignoring significant hazards,

John J
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