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#1 Posted : 09 March 2007 11:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clarke Kent the 2nd Anybody watch the programme, granted the bloke was doing the work himself mostly with the odd contractor so safety was going to be non existent from the start. They then proceeded to manually handle 2tn Oak Beams into place and rip the old ones out by hand whilst standing underneath them resulting in one bloke narrowly missing being crushed. But, when he decided to hire a crane to lift the oak roof on he decided to save money he would only hire the crane and not the driver!!! Then it turned out the crane was not suitable for the job etc and he was clearly not capable of using the equipment, what ever happened to PUWER etc. Crazy, it really does surprise me how the so called expert presenters and the TV Producers themselves can air such stupid behaviour. And how you never hear of prosecutions and the footage being used as evidence.
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#2 Posted : 09 March 2007 11:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT CK It was appalling per se; having so said I was under the impression the owner would not pay the roofing contractor for the crane they wanted and got one in with an operator far cheaper that the roofers were suggesting. CFT
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#3 Posted : 09 March 2007 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By PH The bit that made me laugh out loud was at the beginning when they were stood inside the fire damaged property with hard hats on and the women was holding her baby in her arms - don't hard hats come in that size? ;) Still, what a spectacular end result.
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#4 Posted : 09 March 2007 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clarke Kent the 2nd The cottage wasnt really my thing, that castle last week however, truely amazing. Another thing was when they were stripping out, people were clearly working at height (kicking the beams 2-3m up so that it would release and fall to the ground) with no protection, let alone to the people below who had to jump out the way to avoid the beams. Shocks me it really does.
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#5 Posted : 09 March 2007 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Quite liked the clients bump hat, reminded me of the little fella that starred with Windsor Davis; oh what on earth was he and the programme called?
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#6 Posted : 09 March 2007 12:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker I'd been discussing this with some fellow woodworking "anoraks". We all felt the window glass fitted in the beam will crack as the oak beam dries. Mainly because the technique used was a textbook "how not to". We also calculated the beams were in actual fact nearer 200kg and not 2 tonne (2000Kg). Producers poetic licence ??
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#7 Posted : 09 March 2007 12:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clarke Kent the 2nd I to noted the shrinkage and movement that the beams would have, plus i would never have excepted that glass in the first place it was that out of shape.
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#8 Posted : 09 March 2007 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stephanie CFT, I think you mean Don Estelle in "It Ain't Half Hot Mum"?
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#9 Posted : 09 March 2007 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stupendous Man CFT, the programme was 'It ain't half hot Mum'. As for grand designs, I think the main thing it shows is the lengths (or even desperation) some people will go to in order to get their dream (or indeed any) home. It would be really interesting to see whether Joe Public shares our views regarding the lack of safety (or lack of common sense) or if they do see it as making that type of behaviour acceptable.
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#10 Posted : 09 March 2007 12:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Carrick CFT - it was Don Estelle who wore a pith helmet and played "Lofty" in "It Ain't Half Hot Mum". I was cringing too when the cottage was being renovated - even more so the castle with its wall collapsing and general WAH issues. Jon
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#11 Posted : 09 March 2007 18:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor I always watch these programmes and can't remember one where they weren't breaking some H&S regulation. It probably represents much of what goes on in the DIY and small construction fields. The problem is that they usually seem to 'get away with it' - which tends to reinforce the 'cavalier' attitude to risk taking. As to the sealed unit glazing in the timber roof frames, I was also amazed at the lack of tolerance provided between the glass and timber. If this had to be done, I would, at least, have expected to see considerable expansion joints. Why didn't architect Kevin pick up on this one?
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#12 Posted : 12 March 2007 12:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Lewis There was one to a good standard a few years back. Anyone remember the couple in Northern Ireland who scheduled everything months in advance and ran the job like a commercial operation? They finished on time and (I think) on budget. John
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