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#1 Posted : 23 March 2007 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By andy bee
Hi all
Has any one got any ideas on the law regarding reps or van drivers who use company vehicles but never carry any other passengers, I am trying to write a policy on it and i need some clarification
many thanks andy
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#2 Posted : 23 March 2007 14:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham
I suppose it could be argued that this constitutes part of that employee's place of work and thus a smoking ban is required.

Another consideration: A vehicle in which someone has smoked inevitably smells of stale smoke. This makes it less saleable, i.e. reduces the resale value. As this is a cost to the employer, there is another valid reason for not permitting smoking.

Chris
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#3 Posted : 23 March 2007 14:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karel Simpson
Can you guarantee they carry other passengers?

We are in the same situation but I have plans afoot to ban as in my view a company vehicle could be made available at any time to a different employee, also you we cannot guarantee that no other person will need it for work purposes, for example if another member of staff have their car in for service, so it is essentially a workplace.

Regards

Karel
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#4 Posted : 23 March 2007 14:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi,

Vehicles don't have to be smoke free provided they are used by one person and one person only. Use by more than one person (even 'intermittently' in the wording in the regs) means they have to be smoke free,

John
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#5 Posted : 23 March 2007 15:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
Hi Andy,

rememmer to include not smokling while actually driving.

I would say that if the vehicle is only used for company business then you can put whatever condtions you like - difficult to enforce these perhaps if the person is on their own how would you know?

If the vehicle is used by the one person for private use also how will you know if its business or private use when they smoke?

We only have the condition of when carrying 'work' passengers e'g service users, fellow employees etc.
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#6 Posted : 23 March 2007 15:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Catman
Hi Andy

If any of your van drivers enter Scotland it should be noted that it is specifically banned in commercial vehicles here, regardless if one or two people are in the van.

The van should also display no smoking signage.

Cars are exempt.

Cheers
TW
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#7 Posted : 23 March 2007 15:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Lilian,

Take your point about knowing when they are smoking, but the regs are clear, it has to be used by more than one person 'in the course of work' for it to be not exempt in the eyes of the law. So your reps can smoke (legally, you might want to ban it anyway in which case you can) provided that no other people 'in the course of work' travel with them, even intermittently.

How I interpret that is that the considerable number of my colleagues who hurtle up and down the motorways on their own in company cars can have a fag if they wish; but our van drivers and minibus drivers can't,

John
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#8 Posted : 23 March 2007 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel

you can make your own rules without referring to the law - however most companies have not got the bottle for it

additionally WHSWR already addresses clean air issues
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#9 Posted : 23 March 2007 17:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip McAleenan
The Act 2006 states,

5 Vehicles
(1) The appropriate national authority may make regulations providing for vehicles to be smoke-free.
(2) The regulations may in particular make provision-
(a) for the descriptions of vehicle which are to be smoke-free,
(b) for the circumstances in which they are to be smoke-free,
(c) for them to be smoke-free only in specified areas, or except in specified areas,
(d) for exemptions.


So as always, check exactly what regulations the appropriate authority has made. If they have made none, then ...
... they have made none

regards, Philip
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#10 Posted : 23 March 2007 21:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Red Ones
I thought they were covered by the new Regs as an enclosed workplace
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#11 Posted : 24 March 2007 10:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By David G C
Where a company vehicle could be used by more than one employee, it will have to be smoke-free at all times. This is to protect people who use the vehicle from second-hand smoke, regardless of when they use the vehicle. The only exceptions to the rule are:

convertible cars as long as the roof is down when they or their passengers are smoking.

vehicles provided for the sole use of the driver and not used by anyone else either as a driver or passenger

privately owned vehicles

Under the act, employers, managers and those in charge of smoke-free premises and vehicles will need to:

identify areas where smoking will constitute an offence and display ‘no smoking’ signs.

take reasonable steps to ensure that staff, customers/members and visitors are aware that premises and vehicles are legally required to be smoke-free and ensure that no-one smokes in smoke-free premises or vehicles

provide suitable guidance in staff handbooks and invoke disciplinary proceedings if necessary

The proposed penalty for smoking in a smoke-free premises or vehicle is a fixed penalty notice of £50 or fine of up to £200.

For failing to display no smoking signs in smoke-free premises and vehicles as required by the legislation the fine is a fixed penalty notice of £200 or a fine of up to £1,000.

For failing to prevent smoking in a smoke-free premises or vehicle - a fine of up to £2,500.


I'm off for cigarette now

David
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#12 Posted : 24 March 2007 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Edward Shyer
If the car for the reps is a company leased car then the regs do not apply unless their is a work colleague in the vehicle with them.

Just a side note take a look at the stats for the fixed penalty notices issued in Scotland the top two are Persons in control of premises with well over two hundred notices issued. The numero uno is taxi drivers at over three hundred. I don't know if this is because they could be deemed as easy targets or not but it is worth wondering if these are going to be priority targets in England.

Ted
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#13 Posted : 24 March 2007 22:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kate Graham
The relevant Regs have indeed been made - the Smokefree (Exemptions and Vehicles) Regulations. There's a link to them here: http://www.smokefreeengl...cts/the-regulations.html

Kate
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