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#1 Posted : 03 April 2007 15:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By JB One of our employees is a diabetic and has suggested that details of his medical condition be made available to the company's First Aiders. This seems a sensible course of action and we are now considering asking all employees (on a voluntary basis) to consider making relevant medical information available to first aiders. Does anyone have experience of this, and ideas of the best way to provide such information? Many thanks John
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#2 Posted : 03 April 2007 15:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap We always ask this at induction stage.
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#3 Posted : 03 April 2007 15:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve jones JB, I am a type 1 diabetic and as a fire safety and health and safety officer within a large high street retailer decided to do the same. However a lot of staff did not want to give the first aider team there medical details for fear of "gossiping" among them. there was also advice from the occupational health team regarding"patient confidentially"!!! but what i did was to create an emergency diabetic kit where all first aiders knew the position and what was in it and what symptoms to recognize in a diabetic emergency. hope this helps. steve
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#4 Posted : 03 April 2007 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Darren J Fraser As the employee has suggested this, ask them to give a brief explanation to the 1st Aid team, regarding signs and symptoms and treatment requirements for themselves only. By all means ask all employees on a strictly voluntary basis if they would like to do the same, just ensure that all the 1st Aiders realise that this information must be treated in the strictest confidence etc.
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#5 Posted : 03 April 2007 16:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney we have at least one member of whoever has a medical condition that might require first aid's team aware of the situation. If the person is unable to advise the first aider at time of any incident then these people can. I don't know of anyone who doesn't want to say cos as soon as they do they've told someone! First aider will check to make sure its the medical condition causing the problem and not something else but it certainly makes it easier for them to know about certain medical conditions e.g. diabetes, epliepsy, allergies etc. We don't actually record this anywhere though (apart from Personal file in HR/Occ health etc) have a Happy Easter, I'm off on hols Lilian
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#6 Posted : 03 April 2007 21:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By safety medic I think the thread has got a little off track. Employees are required to provide the employer with any information that could affect the health and safety of both themselves or others. This includes medical conditions. You must ask for this information. (consider an epileptic using a bench saw and you not being informed of his/her condition) If employees dont declare on ground of "confidentiality" then the employer can (and should) reasonably ask for a doctors assessment that the person is fit to carry out the tasks expected of them. If the employer knows of specified risks to health them you must risk assess and make appropriate provision. Bear in mind that First Aiders cannot administer medication unless additional training is provided. Definately ask and provide the reasons why.
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#7 Posted : 04 April 2007 09:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Yes ask people to disclose *relevant* information. There are many conditions that simply do not warrant telling the first aider about because there is no first aid requirements (e.g. liver disease, kidney disease, etc.). Information about epilepsy and diabetes can influence a first aider's ability to help and talking about the subject beforehand can certainly help (e.g. "Please don't call an ambulance, unless I am affected for more than five minutes"). Patient confidentiality is a voluntary code of ethics for medically trained personnel as far as I am aware, and has no legal implications here - but as decent people, first aiders should never gossip, or even disclose such information until such time as it is important to do so. Helping the first aiders in this way is in the self interest of the employee... I would avoid writing it down though because the Data Protection Act might then be invoked.
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#8 Posted : 04 April 2007 10:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Just an aside ... maybe avoid the term "medical information" as that implies a higher degree of information than perhaps is sought. I don't know the best phraseology, but maybe something like "health condition"? Any wordsmiths out there?
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#9 Posted : 04 April 2007 10:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By CRN Baker I think this is useful exercise. Although I don't have a medical condition, I do have a serious allergy to a widely prescribed antibiotic, which, should I ever need emergency medical treatment, I need people to be aware of. We have done this where I work and have had a mixed response. For those people who participated, they have the comfort of knowing that the information they have made available is easily accessible but in a secure location, which a first aider can access through the duty manager (out of hours) or HR. HTH
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#10 Posted : 04 April 2007 13:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Farrall A simple system system to use is one in which the staff (voluntarily) record their contact details, next of kin, and relevant medical information on a form which is held in a sealed envelope under their name at Reception. In the case of an incident the First Aider can then withdraw their envelope and access the information. The form can also be passed on the ambulance crew and - speaking as somebody who spent 12 years working in the ambulance service on accident crew - this kind of information can be really beneficial in selecting the right treatment. Andy
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#11 Posted : 04 April 2007 19:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd "I think this is useful exercise. Although I don't have a medical condition, I do have a serious allergy to a widely prescribed antibiotic, which, should I ever need emergency medical treatment, I need people to be aware of" I'm surprised yo do not carry either a bracelet with your problem on it, or any of the other means of alerting medical personnel to your condition. I carry a medic-alert "talisman"...http://www.medicalert.org.uk/ I fail to see any reason to tell first aiders about anything, especially if you intend to not write things down because you are worried about the DPA.....sounds really nasty....whispering from one to the other....a sad and nasty way of carrying-on....either do it properly with written information available only to a few and with STRICT rules about works gossiping or just forget it.... "well, we was told he 'ad a problem wiv 'is 'eart sorta...but 'e wouldn't let us write it dahnnn gov...so we forgot" Anyone with a problem that needs to be communicated to medical personnel in case of an emergency should carry that info upon their person. First aiders "need to know"...they don't...if the diabetic is too far gone to sort themselves out then they are too far gone for a fist aider to sort out. I don't even let first aiders touch me...
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