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Posted By P. Moore
Dear All
I am planning to undergo lead auditor training.
The various training providers offer lead auditor courses either for ISO 9001, 14001 or OHSAS 18001.
Could anyone advise me which would be the best option?
I understand that these three standards relate to different disciplines, but surely the core auditing skills are transferable across all three?
Our company operates a integrated HSQE management system so all three are relevant.
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Paul
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Posted By rdot
Hi, I would suggest that if safety is your principle profession, that you complete the OHSAS 18001 lead auditor and then add the others on. The core skills of auditing are transferable, but it will be easier to understand if you stick to your main profession and easier to build on.
Good luck
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Posted By J Knight
My feeling is that the principles would indeed be similar, but that the devil is in the detail. I did RoSPA's one week QSA course in 2001, and the bulk of that was examining and learning in some detail the content and meaning of HSG65; without an in-depth H&S knowledge I would have found this extremely difficult. Likewise, in order to establish compliance under the 14000 one would surely have to understand how the organisation was fulfilling, say, its duty of care to waste, which would involve knowing what that entailed. In other words, depending on where you work, I'm not so sure that an auditor trained under 9000, for example, would be able to effectively audit under 18000, much less HSG65,
John
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Posted By rdot
Yeah John, I would agree. There is definately a requirement to have competency in the other disciplines, in this case quality and environmental and not just completing the add-ons to the lead auditors course.
I believe that you have to prove that competency ie past experience and education, prior to be allowed to carryout the lead auditors course.
I had to for my OSHAS 18001 course.
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Posted By Linzi Platts
Paul
I would go for the 18001 Lead Auditors Course, I did the course last year with IQ Management, very good.
Linzi
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Posted By Davelfc
Paul,
I had something similar, last year I was taksed with the implementation of all three standards.
I have extensive H&S knowledge, some environmental knowledge, and limited quality experience.
So I set about the following and found it worked for me.
I conducted the ISO 9001 implementation course
then went on the ISO 9001 internal auditors course
then went on the OHSAS 18001 course.
I then researched all three standards which I found I ad a good understanding of the above whih helped with 14001, after all they are just standards once you have implementation and internal auditing skills coupled with lead auditor whic actually in hind sight covers a lot of the second course, I would say you have enough in you tool box to go out and practice all the above.
The difficulty as I find is having the time on my own to put systems inplace, train the systems, monitor the systems, review the systems, produce action plans review them and complete all the audits as well as all the other functions I have but we all like a challenge.
I have gained all three, and processes procedures have improved.
Good luck
In answer to your question though I would certainly do the implementation and lead auditor there is a bit of ground hog to the internal auditor, when you arrive at the lead A.
I did the one at the Grange (I hope this is not misconstrued as advertising, but found Tim excellent) I would recommend the course to anyone.
Regards
Dave
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Posted By P. Moore
Thank you all for your guidance.
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