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#1 Posted : 25 April 2007 17:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By sian
Can anyone help/advise me on this.

To be a fire Marshall do you have to be trained by someone who is accredited to qualify for the position?

I sat in on a fire Marshall course today that was ran internally, and was very disappointed, I would like to train them but would I need to attend a course to do this myself.

Also is there any law that relates to this matter..

I hope this makes sense

Sian

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#2 Posted : 25 April 2007 18:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By PH
As with any type of training, the person delivering it needs to be competent in that field as well as having the instructional skills to get the 'message' across. I would suggest that a skilled trainer with a sound understanding of fire matters relevant to the specific industry would be fine - I do not see that you would need to be a fire 'expert' to deliver basic fire marshall training.

Regards, P
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#3 Posted : 25 April 2007 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By sian
So

I am an accredited fire Marshall would I be able to train these persons internally so they could become fire Marshall.

I was unhappy with the content delivered and felt they didn't get the message across properly.

sian
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#4 Posted : 25 April 2007 18:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By PH
It would depend on your knowledge of the subject matter and your ability to train. If the only qualification you hold is that of being a fire marshall yourself I would say you are probably not competent to deliver the training. If, however, you can train and have a good level of fire safety knowledge you may be fine. It is a little difficult to give an answer without knowing more about you and the field of work you are in. I would say that if someone questions whether or not they are competent, they probably aren't.
Regards, P.
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#5 Posted : 25 April 2007 18:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever
Sian

I would tend to agree with PH. There is nothing in law that says you have to hold a qualification in fire safety to be able to training in it. However, if someone is injured as a result of actions they took based on the training you gave then I think you would find yourself rapidly in court having to explain how you are competent to deliver the training.
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#6 Posted : 25 April 2007 18:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By sian
Thank you very much

I appreciate your advice very much....

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#7 Posted : 26 April 2007 09:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC
Agree fully with PH and Shaun.

If you don't feel happy and confident with the course and content give some feedback to the relevant personnel.
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#8 Posted : 26 April 2007 10:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
I agree with the above in that a trainer needs to be fully competent which includes the ability to get the necessary knowledge over to the trainees.

If you believe the course was not of good quality then you must not attempt to use that training as a basis for you to train others.

If you feel confident enough to report on the poor quality of the training received you must do that as the company may now think it has competent Fire Marshalls when this is not the case.

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#9 Posted : 26 April 2007 11:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By SeanThompson
I think if you are an already trained fire marshal and have experience of training others or hold a trainer qualification. Then you should be able to train others. You must also feel confident in training others.
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#10 Posted : 26 April 2007 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
I have done this previously, as with many other training programmes, and I would give you a word of caution...

You had better know a lot more than you intend to teach - because people will ask questions, and whilst you can sometimes say that you will research the answer and get back to them - it is rather embarassing and undermining of the training to have to do that for every question :-)

But I would always encourage people to lift the training and fire training needs to be better than most, so good on you.
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#11 Posted : 26 April 2007 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Firstly - did you know about the course content prior to going on the training - ie, do you already know the basics of how your evacuation system should work form induction training?

Is the intent of the course to make you the person in charge of an assembly point or for the whole overview of the evacuation process?

Then, can I ask about the content of the course - was that the disappointing part, or the ability of the trainer to get information across verbally, or poor back up literature?

Did you actually achieve knowledge of the system being explained?

Could you stand up to talk about what you learned on a one to one basis, sufficiently for the listener to be able to repeat back and understand what you have told them, either verbally or in a written format, like a simple Q/A form.

Lastly, was there any form of feedback sheet where you could give a reasonable set of remarks about course content or the amount of learning gained from your training session?

If you are unhappy or uncomfortable with any of the above points made, then you would not be in a position to train others on what could be a life saving procedure.
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#12 Posted : 26 April 2007 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Emma Wroe

Hi Sian

I work for a training and development provider who supply courses in H&S and also Fire Marshall Training. I have spoken to the tutor who normally provides our training on this subject and you don't have to be qualified or accredited to supply the training to your staff yourself.

However (obviously) you would need to have a good level of understanding in the subject matter and what content you delivered would depend upon any risk assessments you have carried out and the type of industry you work in. i.e the training you would give for a small office block would be different to that if you worked for the NHS.

Hope this is of help to you.

Regards
Em
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