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#1 Posted : 01 May 2007 10:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Broad
I'd be grateful if anyone could share their experiences of dealing with V&A in a social care environment, especially in the area of Children and Young persons.

In particular I'd be interested in how they have dealt with any conflicts between providing the best care and support for service users, the requirements of H&S legislation as well as the requirements for CSCI and OFSTEAD etc

Id also be very interested in any examples of "Site specific" V&A assessments for residential centres.

many thanks all
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#2 Posted : 01 May 2007 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Tailby
I don't have any specific experience in the sector you mention but the experience I do have would lead me to suggest:

- the issue of "reasonable practicability" allows for the fact that the care imperitive may sometimes place a carer at higher risk of injury due to V&A, in other words a higher level of residual risk will be tolerable than might usually be expected.

- a high level of training and supervison is required for staff in this situation to ensure they are equipped to deal with this higher residual risk

Not sure if its any help, but I have sent you a violence and aggression risk assessment tool I put together for a client in times past.
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#3 Posted : 02 May 2007 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Tony,

This is a very complex question. In essence, I suggest that providing the best care and support entails effective management of challenging behaviour. Nobody can participate fully in society while they behave in a way which would exclude them from public spaces and so on. So at the end of the day, there isn't a conflict between managing CB and providing the best possible care.

I have no experience with CB in a Children's setting, but all three of my most recent employers have had to deal with CB to a lesser or greater extent. In one case the 'reason' was learning disability, and here the solution was careful planning and management, with clear goals. In the most extreme cases people who had been 'unmanageable' were eventually able to go out to the shops and for walks in the country side and so on. Yes, they still had occasional outbursts of frustration and temper, but to a much reduced and much less damaging extent. The planning and management, incidentally, was done by psychologists and highly trained nurses, I can take no credit. In the meantime, while all the behaviour management stuff was being implemented, staff were given training in breakaway, situation management and so on, and lots of management support. All done without coercion and non-aversively, of course.

In other situations it has been more difficult, especially where degenerative neurological diseases are concerned, as behaviour modification won't work in anything like the same way. Then its is much more about staff support, and careful observation, with detailed planning, again done by specialists.

In other words, the behaviour shouldn't just be accepted, and your staff need support while efforts are in train to help people express their needs in a more appropriate and less challenging manner. If that sounds hopelessly pie in the sky and woolly liberal it isn't, believe me, I've seen it happen,

John
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#4 Posted : 02 May 2007 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tim Corbett
17 years experience in this field. It is a totally one sided affair. having personally experienced violence which hospitalised me twice. The Client has all the cards on their side.
Firstly there is no support from a company (most are private sector now) They are only interested in filling buildings with children each worth at least £75,000 pa. If they lose a child in takes a time to replace this income and they may have to give a refund!
Secondly, You will be told that it is part of the job to suffer abuse, physical violence and high levels of stress. If you do like it leave.
Thirdly when a client makes an allegation against you, you are suspended and then interviewed under caution by the Police, This can take any length of time as the Police have a fair backlog of these cases to check. I was off work for 3 months, the same client made allegations against 3 staff so we were all off for that period of time. If you are found guilty you will be placed on the child offenders register and the care of your own children will also come under question!!
The client in this case as in many others had no further action when allegations came to nothing but they the client wanted to be at home, arrested twice in this period)
Company attitude was back to work!! you have had a long enough holiday.

There are no simple answers to this, Other than the best support comes from fellow workers. similar to the Black humour of the Army and other services. If you can identify that and make it into a working system that would be the best. The only real support that came from outside was Union (Unison) support, at least you understood that someplaces were worse. It should be noted that as most carehomes for children are private they do not recognise any Union involvement (strange that? similar to construction?)
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#5 Posted : 03 May 2007 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Broad
many thanks to you all for your replies and in particular Rob.
Its certainly given me food for thought.
Tony
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