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Posted By Darren Crossman
I have heard rumours about a new Manual Handling Passport that can be taken from employer to employer, alleviating the need for retraining in manual handling. I am fairly sceptical about htis but would be very interested if anyone can shed some light on this for me?
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Posted By Ian Mitchell
Hi Darren.
Haven't heard myself but I actually think it is a good idea in principle. A system that would demonstrate transferable awareness would be a great tool both for employees to show competence in the marketplace and for H&S managers to ease their training burden! So long as the passport was recognised as generic (ie not satisfying all of the the MHOR liabilities) and companies don't see it as a way to off-load their responsibility to train and instruct on the site specifics it would be a good idea.
Cheers
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Posted By TBC
I can't see the use of this 'Manual Handling Passport'. I was training some employees once in manual handling and asked if anyone had previously done some - One lad said that he had, so I was going to use him as a good example. When prompted I wanted him to start lifting something as I was giving a running explanation - he started to do it all wrong. I asked what he was doing and he replied - Oh! you want me to start now!!!!!!!!! I said 'No' I want you to lift as you've been trained every time you move something. It certainly got the point home to the others.
So much for 'previous' training.
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Posted By Dave West
TBC, How typical is that! but unfortunatly its common. I recently became a trainer and make a point in telling people that they will be monitored on their lifting techniques on the shop floor.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Duh,
come back a bit. Manual handling training means that people must change their methods and their habits.
Unfortunately, this means that on coming out of the training session they must start adopting the new methods. BUT. Supervision and management rarely go through this type of training. they don't lift and carry so why should they bother. So they don't know how to encourage employees to adopt the new methods they are supposed to have learned. Without backup and follow-through which depend on supervision, employees fall back into the old techniques.
Money wasted.
ALL safety training must start from the top. Train the senior management on lifting and carrying. Then middle management. then supervision and THEN employees.
For me, this goes for any kind of safety training. If you want your people to do lock-outs correctly then management have to know what you are talking about and how to audit it.
If you want your people to be aware of chemical/fume hazards then management have to be aware and know how to judge/estimate if the situation is OK or not
And so on.
The most safety-conscious/trained/aware person on your site is not you. It must be your MD.
Dream on
Merv
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Posted By PH
I think that local authorities in Wales and certain NHS organisations use some kind of manual handling passport system, although I'm not sure of the details.
Merv - when you find the company you describe, let me know and I will apply for a job :)
Paul
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Posted By Claire H
The All Wales Manual Handling Passport scheme can and has benefited Local Authorities and other organisations. It sets a standard of content to be included in the training. In addition it covers manual handling risk assessment and supplies standard forms. The idea was that it would give a consistant approach within the NHS, Local Health Boards and Local Authorities. When staff transfer from LA to LA, if the employee has attended the passport scheme modules then the new employee will be aware of the content received in the training. The scheme is split in to different modules so it is easy to identify which modules your staff need to attend.
Although I do agree it will depend on the attitude and manner of the trainer as well as supervision whether the trainee's will adopt the correct lifting/moving techinques or will they just do it correctly during training.
If you google the All Wales Manual Handling Passport scheme, you can read the whole document, but I warn you it is lengthy.
Please be nice to me, this is my first posting!!!
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Posted By Ron Hunter
This sceptic read the document referred to.The sharing of key training resources across several NHS Trusts is surely admirable and will go a long way to ensuring consistency. The key part management play in this is also a big part of the Scheme.
Not so obvious from the document is the necessity of refresher training, i.e. that Passports have an expiry date!
I suppose what irks me most is that everything these days seems to be wrapped in political rhetoric, requiring co-signature by those and such on 'strategic documents', with attendant fanfare and mutual backslapping?
Let's not knock the people (those providing the training) at ground level though, and let's applaud a very sensible use of limited resources.
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