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Posted By Phillipe
Merv
I was reading about your lost time injury stats further down the board, very impressive I would say.
Can I ask what industry you work in? I know you say you are a consultant, but what specialised area?
Also if you are working abroad, do you think the LTI or over 3 day injury is attributed soley to this country (UK)? Working in retail, the numbers of people taking more than 3 days off following an accident is common. These tend to be younger people, 18-25 yrs old who might have suffered a cut, bump, bruise or whatever and see it almost a a right to have time off paid sick...the consequences of this I suppose is an increased rise in RIDDOR reportable accidents.
Just interested really to see what your opinion is?
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Posted By Crim
Hi Phillipe, I hope you don't mind me joining in this one but I advise health and safety in the construction industry, OK it's only shop fitting but still contains elements of high risk activities.
The reason I'm contributing here is that I don't report many accidents because the guys on site generally act in a sensible manner and when there is an accident it usually has quite serious consequences.
They know that if they take time off work they will be replaced and therefore may not be invited back on site, so there is that element of unease about them as well.
There is the other reason of course that many site operatives are sub-contract employees so any accidents occurring to them are reported by their employer.
In your type of employment where employees have a contract of employment, and that details sick leave and benefits etc. I do find that employees tend to take more time off work on the sick as they know their job will be there when they wish to return.
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Posted By Phillipe
I think that is part of the problem to be honest when you say they know there is a job to come back to. Incidentally they do return to work when sick pay has been exhausted. Having said that, that is not the case with all of our LTI, some are what I would say genuine, and you can live with that, it is the others that makes me annoyed as it simply does not paint a true picture of the LTI rates.
When you look at a retail environment, generally speaking the level of risk is somewhat lower than it is in other professions. Yes we do have serious accidents from time to time, but these tend to be people not following instructions or behaving in a way that normally they wouldn't. There is of course that unknown element, the customer also. You would be surprised what they get up to in some of our stores !
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Posted By Merv Newman
Phillipe,
I missed seeing your posting first time around.
The first H&S job I had, in the UK, was at a rubber and plastics R&D site. 1976 - 1982, 250 employees, no LTI (despite those mad R&D chemists)
Next was in France, 1982 - 1989, light engineering ; high speed presses, injection moulding, electroplating. 500 employees and one LTI.
As a safety management and Behavioural consultant I nowadays cover most industries
I think the three-day rule only exists in the UK. The history I heard (no authentication) is that when the NHS started doctors were required to sign sick-notes to justify to employers even one day off work.
They protested that this would give them too much work and negotiated the three day rule.
Other countries work on one full day of absence. If an injured person goes off-site for diagnosis (say an x-ray which reveals nothing) or treatment then we have 48 hours to report it to social security.
There are lots of cultural differences, including company culture and overall national culture which influence an employee's decision to go into work or not. Three days makes a nice little break, especially if it runs up to the weekend.
I haven't compared different European country stats lately but the last I saw had the Mediterranean countries showing lower LTI rates than the Northern Europe ones.
Merv
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