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Posted By Kevin Ray Hello all I'm after some background information if anybody can help. I have noticed that on a number of hard hat wearing sites many people have started to wear theirs back to front. Despite the fact that it was not designed to be worn this way I am interested to see if there is any case history / horror stories involving the incorrect use of a hard hat in this way. On approach to a few individuals to investigate why they are wearing their hat in this fashion the most popular answers were:
1 - "It won't stay on the other way round"
2 - "The sweat band gets uncomfortable"
and the real biscuit taker
3 - "I don't know. I just do"
I am aware of the design of a hard hat in its correct use and feel that the answers given by the vast majority of individuals I approached was utter rubbish but just telling somebody it isn't doing its job properly wearing it that way is not enough for some people so any help in actually why it isn't doing its job would be much appreciated.
Many Thanks
Kev Ray
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Posted By The toecap If people are wearing their hard hats then you don't have a problem. The biggest problem is when they don't wear them
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Posted By Kevin Ray Thanks for the response toecap yes at least they are attempting to wear their hat but what I'm trying to ascertain is are they putting themselves at unnecessary risk? if so how? is there any previous case history or known problems in this practice?
Many thanks again.
Kev
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Posted By David .J. Minnery Wearing the hard hat the correct way round, the peak shields, or gives a degree of protection to the face, particularly the nose from falling objects. There are of course versions with shorter peaks for surveyors etc, so that they do not need to take their hard hat off when using the tools of their trade.
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Posted By JayJay Hi Kev !
I was told about a 'brickie' that had been walking along at ground level past scaffolding when somebody knocked a brick off a cache. He got smashed in the face resulting in a broken nose, 2 black eyes and the tip of his nose taken off.When he made a civil claim somebody had stated in a witness statement that he'd had his hard hat on back to front. This resulted in him only getting 50% of his claim as in the eyes of the court it was 'inappropriate use of PPE'. Just wondering though do you mention in the site induction regarding PPE and the wearing of it? You could bring this to their attention and say that they signed to say they clearly understood it and should be adhering to it. Hope that helps you alittle bit !!
Regards JJ
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Posted By John J Kevin,
The hard hat will have been tested with the peak, however short or long, forward and so you will require written approval off the manufacturer to wear it backwards and still be assured of its performance. In the unlikely event that you do get permission they will probably recommend that the harness is turned round so that the adjuster is still at the back. If you do a quick search on the web there are some good sites for toolbox talks on common hardhat myths including - they are too hot/cold, cause baldness, it won't stay on etc. If you want to make it unfashionable start wearing it backwards yourself - thinking about it if politicians wore hoodies kids would stop over night...
John
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Posted By james mcconway hi kevin as a scaffolder for 15 years i know lots of guys who would wear there hats back to front for different reasons. so when i became a h&s adviser with my company i get any operative`s which i supply hats to sign the instruction leaflet that's inside and this goes with there induction form. it state`s clearly that the peak of the hat must be facing forward. sorry no horror stories. if this is the way you think will encourage the operative`s to wear their hat properly then make some up. maybe some posters, toolbox talks, etc.
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Posted By Garry Adams Kevin
The main reasons for non-compliance I usualy get from my Scaffs is...its cool to be a rebell...a non-conformist..a free radical..be individual...a generic issue of reduced peak V gaurd hard hats solves the prob...or issue a dear stalker type...that will get them ...they wont know wheather their coming or going...
regards, Garry...
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Posted By james mc hi gary
if you say that to scaffs be sure to have your own hard hat on. stick to bright coloured posters mate
james
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Posted By Garry Adams Hi James,
Na Mate, Iv been Scaffolding for 36 years, my Scaffs give me respect,they know I don't take lip, still settle disputes behind the Tea shak.Sometimes times the pussy footing aproach just dont work, sometimes you just got to shoot from the hip and tell them streaght.
Anyway it works for me...and Iv got the mars bars on mi coupin to prove it...
Regards, Garry...
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Posted By james mc hi gary
i also have the respect of my scaffs due to the fact you treat guys the way you want to be treated never been behind the shak whats there ? (lol) no mars ether some times you let the guys have there moan 10 min later everybody pals. until fri (pub) you know what a mean mate!
regards james
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Posted By Garry Adams Hi James,
well it friday, the boyz will be due a cargo 2day eh, Iv nae had a gargell for 16 year had to kick the drinkin into touch, to much boxin, use to like a wee tug at the loco weed but I gave that up a while ago, i get my jollies surfin the steel.
Ye mutual respect goes a long way, I learned my Man Management Skills form John (Cowboy) McCormack; Fredie Mc Millan and Bros John, Gerry, Angie, All pure Gentelmen Oh ye the Flynns and the Mc Grath Clan fae Lewis...Peter Gaffeny Fae Nits Hill; Jimmy (melon heed) Anderson, ye great times, geewhiz I feel like dooing 3 rounds wi a bottle of rum now ha ha,
Im away to get your Tel No. from the other thread, I'd like a wee Bleather,I fancy coming down for a wee visit soon if thats O.K.?.
regards, Garry...
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Posted By Geoff Parkinson You can buy hard hats that are specifically designed to be worn backwards or either way around. You can also buy them without a peak, which looks the same whatever way you wear it. The hat doesn't have to have a peak :-) Why not provide peakless ones - no chance for staff to wear them incorrectly!
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Posted By Jim Walker I view this like any other non compliance as an act of defiance (essentially they are giving me the finger for trying to safeguard them). First time a friendly word, second time show em the way out and address of dole office.
No hat (in good condition & worn correctly), no job, no argument.
You only need to enforce it once and your reputation does the rest. Any one who responds to say I should use information & gentle advice ain't worked on a construction site with these "ard nuts".
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Posted By William O'Donnell Am I getting old, and irritable. Questions like these, which I normally get from managers/supervisors, stem from a reluctance or an inability to manage! You set your site rules, operatives follow the site rules or go and work for someone else, it really is that simple.
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Posted By Graham Watson No hat no job! Jim’s comment reminded me of a very old story.
I used to know a guy who was a site manager on building projects. Towards the end of a particularly big project (a shopping centre) he met the big wig owner of the large construction firm concerned.
The top man asked how many guys he’d had to get rid of. It was a good few if I remember rightly. The boss’ comment was to the effect that he bet the workforce was no better than it had been at the beginning.
My acquaintance agreed, but, he added, if he hadn’t got shot of a few guys who tried it on, the workforce would have ended up a lot worse at the end.
So I guess the idea of making the odd example has its advantages.
Graham
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Posted By Kevin Stevens1 Kevin,
Don't know if there is any truth in it, but I was told that if the hard hat was worn backwards, the peak, if struck by a falling object could actually break the wearers neck.
REgards
Kevin
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Posted By Alan Woodage Kevin, This was a long time ago and I heard this third hand but it sounds plausible. I believe it was in the construction of Billingsgate New fish Market. Operative working up a ladder, another op footing the ladder. Op up the ladder had hard hat on backwards while working looking up hat slips backwards operative tries to grab the hat to prevent it hitting the other guy below. Falls backwards off ladder 3m+ resultant head injury caused death later in hospital.
My personal opinion on those that choose to wear there hat backwards. Shows a lack of discipline and respect for basic policy and procedure therefore they are a risk on site.
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Posted By Rauf Dear Kevin,
I full agree with the suggestions of forum members exceptionally with David.
Any violence to PPE is really regarded. Unless you don't have set SSOW in your company the PPE will play less role.
I would like to draw attention to my colleagues that PPE will not prevent injuries full. For example safety boots with metal toe and suppler tells that it can take more than 200 kg but imagine the volume of load it will tel that you will loose your full leg rather your finger will be safe.
In my company it is really surprising that you cannot observe someone working without hand gloves.
But hard hat is important one and workers must wear it tightly without any excuse.
Please be strict with PPE it is also will show attitude of workers to general workplace safety.
Be strong you will manage. It is very easy.
Rauf
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