Posted By Robert K Lewis
Last time I questioned a senior HSE person the chances are more likely that hell will freeze over in the next 5 seconds. The general intention is to let them run for about 5 years to see what is needed - if anything.

Personally speaking I think far too much noise has been made about the increased client duties. Being the old cynic one could almost think that below the surface is a desperate wish by clients not to be tied down or responsible for anything - even surveys for asbestos or other nasties.

I am beginning to think that in many cases far too much emphasis has been placed on notifiable work to the neglect of those undertaking non-notifiable operations.

Bob

Posted By Ron Hunter
The HSE and others have been at pains to point out that the 2007 Regs only make explicit what was previously implicit.It may well be a case of MPs (and others)knowledge and awareness of health and safety law being somewhat limited.
A primary failing in the past was a lack of understanding that CDM fits within a framework of law, including the Management Regulations,etc.
Personally, I would have preferred a concerted effort by all stakeholders to make CDM 94 work, because there was nothing really wrong with the '94 Regs,it was understanding and application that was the problem. The introduction of revised Regulations and yet another ACoP only serves (IMHO) to further confuse those who had yet to fully embrace the principles and legal responsibilities placed upon them. Moreover,the new Regs and ACoP are not particularly well crafted. A good ACoP should provide easily understood guidance on what the law requires. In many areas, it tends only to further confuse the issue (e.g. Health and Safety File requirements)

Posted By Robert K Lewis
Ron

Don't be over hasty in condemning the new regs yet as I see the drawing of ALL construction work into the CDM net as a very posistive plus point. It is this all encompassing net that many wish to loosen.

I rather suspect Dave is encountering many of the problems I am with reluctant clients wanting to limit their exposure to responsibility, not to mention the transfer of costs and risks to the contractor. The HSE had recognised these issues when drafting the new regulations but felt there was a real gain to be made.

Many clients seem to forget the Golden Rule of construction - He who has the gold sets the rules. The HSE stance is an affirmation of the truth of this rule, and sets out to ensure clients take on board and properly use the powers they have to guide project safety.

Bob

Posted By Robert K Lewis
I struggled to find a client who would listen to anything about CHSWR but now they will listen to CDM07.

It is a problem still I am afraid

Bob