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Posted By May Warley
Hi,
This is my first time doing this assessment so I need help!!! Do I carry out this assessment by department or can I do one assessment for the whole site?
Thanks in advance
May
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Posted By SeanThompson
Hi May,
Its up to you, but i found it best to break it down into areas. For example Yard, Workshop, offices etc...
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Yes, break it down into units, this will allow you to manage each small funny more easily. There may be some areas that have the same requirements so it will be easier.
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Posted By Ashley Wood
Hi,
As a fire consultant and someone who has done hundreds and hundreds of assessments my advise would be don't break it down into little bits. You have to remember that your assessment is required to look at the life safety as a whole in the building and not in specific areas. Also, should you have a visit from an enforcing authority they do not want to have to read through every department individually, they just want the facts. They want to see that you have detailed significant findings and can show that you are acting upon the findings. Keep it simple! Recently said in another thread that only 20% of assessments are deemed to be 'suitable and sufficient' by the enforcers. This is not a work place assessment or a health and safety by area assessment, it needs to be treated differently. If you need help please e-mail me.
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Posted By Crim
Hi May,
You can do both on one sheet!
Depending upon your workplace I would systematically go from department to department recording hazards etc. and as you go into a fresh area start a new line with the department/floor indicated.
You will need to pinpoint any issues by department anyway.
The problem with treating the workplace as a whole could lead to you glancing over and missing something.
Just take your time and make it thorough.
When finished you need to make a review sheet where you will record all action items with named responsible persons and dates for completion.
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Posted By May Warley
Hi again,
I have started doing the Fire Risk Assessments by sections. I'm not sure on the difference between the 'Responsible' and 'Competent' persons. Need advice please.
Thanks
May
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Posted By shaun mckeever http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/20051541.htmResponsible person see section 3 When you complete your form pay particular attention to the requirements of section and more specifically section 9 (7) prescribed information. This is often overlooked and usually ends up with the assessment not being suitable and sufficient. If you want my honest opinion May it sounds like you should be doing further training before doing this assessment. Remember it is about life safety, not just of the occupants but of firefighters too. Many seem to forget to count them as being persons at risk.
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Posted By shaun mckeever
oops - that should have read section 9
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Posted By Crim
Hi May,
I have to agree with Shaun that you need further training so as to gain the required competence before undertaking this assessment. While we are happy to provide assistance though this forum we cannot be alongside you guiding you every step of the way.
Please take this comment in the spirit it is intended and not as a criticism against you personally.
Good luck.
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Posted By May Warley
Hi Shaun,
I have just completed my IOSH 'Managing Safely' last month and I have already enrolled myself with NEBOSH Gen. Cert. which will start in Aug.
Meanwhile, I will need help from this forum when I'm doing my H&S assessments. And everyone here has been really, really helpful so far and has been very patient with answering my questions which may sound silly at times but I am only trying to do my job right the first time.
May
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Posted By shaun mckeever
May
I am always happy to try and provide help whenever I can.
I think you are taking the right action in further training but I would suggest you do training specifically on fire. I have provided training on fire risk assessments in the past and the comment I most frequently get is that people do not realise how much there is to fire safety. It touches every part of a building and beyond. The fire risk assessment looks at the building fabric, the structural design, fire loading and behaviour of materials in fire, the passive and active fire control measures, vehicular access, management procedures, how people respond to fire as well as the common things that you may be thinking about such as ignition sources, staff training, fire extinguishers etc.
It is a bigger field than many realise.
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