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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
I had a check list of questions for accident investigation which has uped and left ( I have lost ).
Anyone got something comprehensive, I can remember all the obvious ones,
Thanks
garry
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Posted By Clare Gabriel
Gary
Please let me have your email as I have a proforma I can let you have if you want one. We use it to some success for both minor and (not that we have any - touch wood!!!) major accidents.
just email me above or contact me at address above
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Posted By Ian Langston
Dear Gary
It has always been a cause of worry to come across companies who use preset question sets as a tool to investigate accidents. One has to question what their worth is as a data collection device. It is highly unlikely that effective causal analysis can evolve from such a source.
A second issue surrounds their use as an interview aid when compiling statements. It would be unbelievable to imagine a company that solely collects such data in the belief that suitable evidence has been obtained, let alone one who tries to use it in the legal arena.
Please I beg you to consider carefully the use of such Q & A systems as often their integrity is questionable.
If you would like a system that is not only legally acceptable but also will assist you in identifying causal failure, please feel free to contact either myself or the PD Dept at IOSH and enquire into the Accident Investigation Course.
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Garry
I personally see nothing wrong in a prompt for conducting investigations, such as Who, What, When, Where, Why etc. Clearly, the more complex issues will need some greater examination but the principles are still much the same.
Ray
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Posted By Martin Taylor
The issue of whether preset questions is a useful tool depends on the capability of those asking them.
For a competent and interested investigator they work to support their investigation and avoid missing routes of enquiry.
For a disinterested party they act to give a false sense of doing the right thing.
My personal favourite is always WHY?
Martin
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Posted By Clare Gabriel
I use preset questions as a prompt for our managers when they are doing investigations to assist them in a methodical way with the investigation. I see absolutely nothing wrong with using them - providing it is properly introduced and the employees using it know when to ask for assistance if they meet any hurdles. there are always people in this profession who have different ways and means of doing things and it keeps life interesting - I would never publicly declare such methods as completely wrong - as they say there are many ways to skin a cat!!!
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Posted By ddraigice
Get hold of a copy of HSG245 - Investigating accidents and incidents.
Its very good.
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings
Hi
I think it depends on the quality of the checklist and the realisation that it certainly does not cover every angle. If you couple a good quality aid memoir that looks at errors, violations, conditions, management systems etc. etc. and then use a form of 'why tree analysis'; with the right application it can be very effective.
I have seen the checklist approach used incorrectly, but like anything it comes down to the user. I wouldn't rubbish any form of checklist per se.
Garry I have something which may help as a comparison, but it comes with the condition that it is only effective when used as part of various other investigation skills, not in isolation.
Kind regards
Ian
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ e-mail- gfsward@aol.com. Thanks for said replies and comments. I think that the best path when investigating lies with a combination of all that has been said. My prompt covered 5 pages and I found it handy because if I missed a point I would have to bring the person back. I also in the interview supplement this with, Why, Why, Why, till such time as they think I am nuts. I also like to avoid filling empty spaces in the interview conversation as the other person will then fill such pauses with comments that may assist in getting to the root. So I think a combination stands a good chance of getting to the bottom of the problem. Personaly I often find that when I assemble the causal tree depicting the incident I still have to go back with a question that I have failed to ask. So again, thanks for the input, its all valuable because it makes one re appraise ones convictions and methods to see if the status of being God still holds true. I,m feeling good this morning Garry, from Spalding in the dry
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