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#1 Posted : 04 July 2007 08:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By GavinR Hi, We are currently in the process of buying a new bench saw to replace our old saw to ensure compliance with PUWER. We have in place a purchasing procedure and have reviewed the equipment prior to purchase with all but one safety issue being satisfied at present. My issue is the manufacturer does not appear to have considered noise reduction methods in his design of the equipment as levels in the technical manual read Sound Power level in operation = 105 and Sound Pressure Level at operator station= 92.8 db(A). The machine is CE Marked, issued with Declaration of Conformity to BS EN 1870-1 1999. We have requested the supplier ask the manufacturer what could be done, if anything to reduce noise at the source via engineering methods but i was wondering if anyone had come across this before and could recommend to me a method of noise reduction for this equipment. Any advice would be much appreciated. Gav
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#2 Posted : 04 July 2007 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By David MacFarlane Gavin, diverting from your question slightly....is there a form of training/certification available for using bench saws. I have tried to secure training for a few of our time served joiners (the only operatives permitted to use saws) however, it just seems to be a generic abrasive wheel course that comes up? Thanks david
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#3 Posted : 04 July 2007 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope Bench saw training is hard to find. I tried fruitlessly to arrange with Didac. In the end I went with North Devon College and had a brilliant trainer. I don't know how far he will travel but you could try Roy Imerson on 07813 142 058
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#4 Posted : 04 July 2007 09:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By GavinR David, With regard to bench saw training the only thing i have found available to us has be simply to request a brief training package with our supplier of the machine with regard to its use and safety devices. We will also develop a procedure based on HSE guidance notes and technical file safety rules supplied with the equipment. Other than that we rely on employing experienced time served operators and provide them with hazard awareness training and involvement in PUWER assessment process. Its the best method i have found available so far. Gav
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#5 Posted : 04 July 2007 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy Gavin, I doubt you will find a bench saw that is anywhere near the acceptable sound limits, I've certainly never come across one. Manufacturers obviously build things to a budget so the integral parts ie bearings, motors, dc brakes etc would be to a standard acceptable to the price. Not too sure that even if you use the "best" of everything that the sound levels would decrease. Anyway, I would concentrate on siting the saw in an area that is either enclosed or away from other people, ie isolation. Then I would consider suitable ear protection, and length of exposure. Does one man use it all day long or are there several different users during the course of the day? Maintenance is also important as any degradation of bearings, sharpness of blade, spindle wear etc would possibly increase sound levels. Might want to consider occy health due to the noise levels and also wood dust? Sorry its not much, but its early and brain not functioning properly yet Holmezy
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#6 Posted : 04 July 2007 09:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By David MacFarlane Chris/Gavin, Thanks for the information.
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#7 Posted : 04 July 2007 10:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese Same experience as Holmezy, I'd think it quite difficult to engineer out the immediate noise levels experienced by the operative. The noise will also depend on the materials being cut, but it's good advice to ensure blade kept in good condition and the equipment regularly maintained. Occasionally I come across a saw with a 1KHz (ish) whine which is usually eliminated when the blade is replaced.
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#8 Posted : 04 July 2007 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Gavin The noise from bench saws is usually tonal. I have heard that asymmetrical teeth can reduce the problem but I have yet to see (or hear) this solution. Depending on the depth of cut versus the diameter of the blade, application of damping material to the blade may also help (although the blade would have to be balanced to prevent vibration). Paul
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#9 Posted : 04 July 2007 11:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Assume you mean Woodworking bench saws? Dependant on design they have significant noise differences. Belt driven (rather than direct) are much quieter. Also ones with induction motors. Of course the decent ones will be x10 the cost of cheap. You payes yer money........... Training issues most wood machinists courses have a large element of this. See also the HSE website section on woodworking
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#10 Posted : 04 July 2007 20:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Nicholls Had this type of problem in previous employment. Chopping saw used for cutting metal and fibreglass tubing. For metal ensure liberal coating of cutting soap, sharp blade. Most of the noise is generated by the blade itself as it rotates chipping its way through the material, at possibly 30k rpm or less. Isolation, or another type of saw! Regards Alan N
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