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Posted By Gillian Lloyd
Does anyone have a Fire Training programme which I can use for 1) General Staff 2) Fire Marshalls?
I'll be forever in your debt!
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Posted By shaun mckeever
Gill
I have training programs but it would concern me passing it on to someone without knowing their competence in being able to give the training.
What level of training do you propose to give and what is your level of knowledge?
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Posted By Gillian Lloyd
Shaun - I am Tech IOSH and have the City and Guilds 7307 training award. If you would like anymore info please email me direct and I'll update you.
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Posted By Ciaran McAleenan Gillian, There is a basic fire safety PowerPoint on Safety Exchange; http://www.web-safety.com/Exchange/prepared and presented by Paul Bullows. Select the PowerPoints button on the left hand menu and scroll down through the available offerings. Good luck Ciaran ciaran@web-safety.com
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Posted By Sharon
Shaun,
what a petty and pathetic comment to come out with...........
Gillian I have something which I will email to you.
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Posted By Ashley Wood
I think 'petty and pathetic' is a bit strong Sharon. I can understand what Shaun is saying. I am not a H&S professional so lets say that I wanted to give a presentation on safety at height and using access equipment and I asked for power point details on this forum. I am sure that there are some H&S bods who would come up with similar concerns to Shaun's about my abilities and past experience. Maybe I am wrong and the topic of H & S is so easy that anyone can stand in front of a class and talk about it and pass adequate knowledge on to the delegates! I am sure it is not and I know that I could not do the topic justice.
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Posted By TBC
I'm with Shaun on this one. Suppose you borrow a presentation and stand up delivering it and then get asked some questions to which you don't know the answer - OK you may say that you will find the answer, but at worst you may think you know the correct answer. You may then innocently give some dangerous answer.
I'm not saying that you personally don't know what you're talking about, but you do need to know your subject well! Borrowing is OK, but I always think it's worth doing the homework.
Regards
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Posted By shaun mckeever
Sharon
I'm sorry you feel that way. My view is that if you are to put yourself up in front of an audience and talk about a subject then you should know something of the subject. You must expect questions many of which will not be covered by the presentation. Give the wrong answer and it could have serious consequences, particularly with fire. I know I have seen it. I have had to commit men to rescue a disabled person from a building because their instructor told them that the disabled person must be left in the refuge to await rescue by the fire service! This put both the disabled person and my crew at risk becuase of lack of knowledge by the instructor. So call me pathetic if you want but think about why I may have posted my statement.
In addition to this there is also the liability and insurance issue. If Gillian were to give her presentation and gave bad advcie similar to the circmstances described above would she be able to stand up in court and say that she was comptetent enough to give the training?
I have always given my professional advice freely on this forum, sometimes controversially, and am willing to help whenever I can. I have not until now been insulted because of my advice/concerns.
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Posted By Gillian Lloyd
Opps - didn't mean to start a war of words. I appreciate comments from both Shaun and Sharon; thank you.
I take your point Shaun relating to poor knowledge on a training subject by a trainer and agree this can be a problem, however with regards to my asking for a presentation (as I have noted many people doing before me and not envoking this response), how can anyone via the internet really assess if the trainer has the relevant knowledge? If everyone took the same view as yourself then surely no presentations would be shared?
With regards to your example of rescuing a disabled person from an inapropriate place because the trainer said so - I am concerned that the organisation was relying on the trainer for this information. Surely there should have been risk assessments and evacuation plans written by the organisation which would clearly identify evacuation plans for all people including disabled? Training is just a part of the whole safety process - is it not? Or have trainers become consultants now? This is a flippant comment as I am more than aware that as a trainer you get asked all sorts of questions. It is the role of the trainer however to know the boundries and train in 'facts' i.e. how a fire can start or to train to the company policies and procedures i.e. where the escape routes are etc; and not cross over to giving advice.
I take it you're not gonna share with me then?
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Posted By shaun mckeever
Gillian
I am happy to share. I was going to email but as you have replied on here, are you looking for fire risk assessment training programs, fire marshal training programs, introductory to NEBOSH fire training, general fire safety training. Is the environment you are working in high risk or low risk?
I am on holiday in Canada at the moment, 7 hours behind you so may not respond immediately.
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Posted By Gillian Lloyd
Specifically I'm looking for training for basic fire training for 'regular' staff (to comply with the fire training requirements); this includes night staff (a seperate specific training session will be held for the night staff. If available I'd also like a training programme for Fire Wardens.
The organisation is a care home(nursing)for elderly residents who have in place their local evacuation p&p's but require the appropriate training.
Many Thanks
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