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Posted By Richard Perry
I have it in a dusty corner of my mind that Lord Denning set out a definition of competence which is typically concise and authoritatitve. But I can't find it - can anyone point me to the case - or even an authoritative quote?
And to widen it a little - is anyone aware of other (recent) useful definitions?
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Posted By Les Welling
A person shall be regarded as competent where they have sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities to properly undertake the task.
Whilst this is not the exact wording it's near enough. Also see "The Management of Health & Safety at Work Regs 1999 Reg 7.
Hope this helps
Les
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Posted By Catman
Hi Richard
I think Lord Denning said your actions define your competence better than your education and experience can.
Of course he would have said it more eloquently than that.
Cheers
TW
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Posted By Richard Perry
I guess like everyone else my colleagues and I all have our own versions but we were trying to get the "horses mouth" version because the venerable Lord Denning had quite a way with words.
We've done extensive googling but cant find a reference.
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Posted By Chris Jerman
I always liked "Knowing what to look for and what to do when you find it"
I wouldn't use that in 'policy' context, but for an end user it's quite concise.
Don't miss the importance of understanding the limits or your own and others' competence. That's usually when the wheels fall off.
Tell me what can go wrong
Tell me what you'll do to prevent that
Tell me what you'll do if it does
C
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Posted By Dave West
Dont forget the important factor of KNOWING YOUR LIMITATIONS
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Posted By Mike Craven
"The standard goes up as men become wiser"
Lord Denning
Not a precise definition of competence, but a quote made by Lord Denning with regards to development and increasing standards in Healthy & Safety
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Posted By John Middleton
I think the most commonly used civil definition is from Brazier v Skipton Rock Co (1962). The case revolved on the competence to carry out an examination of work equipment. I believe it was Justice Winn who ruled that “the competent person should have such practical and theoretical knowledge and actual experience of machinery or plant which he has to examine, as will enable him to detect defects or weaknesses which it is the purpose of the examination to discover and to assess their importance in relation to the strength of the machinery or plant in relation to its function.”
The only reference from Lord Denning that I know of was in Hucks v Cole (1968) that “A doctor is not to be held negligent simply because something goes wrong. He is not liable for mischance, or misadventure. Nor is he liable for an error of judgement. He is only liable if he falls below the standard of a reasonably competent practitioner in his field, so much so that his conduct may fairly be held to be, I will not say deserving of censure, but at any rate, inexcusable”
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Posted By Hazel Harvey
The definition quoted in the 'old' CPD book is from 'Gibson vsSkibs A/S Marina and Orkla Grobe A/B and Smith and Coggins Ltd (1966)' and is:
'one who is a practical and reasonable man who knows what to look for and how to recognise it when he sees it'. Also necessary to add knows what to do with it! Whatever it may be!
Hazel Harvey
Director of Professional Affairs
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
One of the best descriptions I have heard of a competent (knowledgeable) person is someone who can describe something which is quite complex in a manner that is easily understood.
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Posted By Bennie
Hi - the best way I have heard of to describe competence, is to image sitting your driving test. You get the training, the information and a little experience before hand and you pass your test.
You are now a driver - but does that make you a competent driver? On motorways and other situations, you will always learn new skills. So experience makes the motorist.
However, bad habits are going to be picked up, or learned because of lack of mentoring, discussion or supervision.
In the work place it should be the same. we need the experience to gain competence, but they need the mentoring and extra guidance that the supervisor or accepted "competent" person can offer.
However, it is down to peoples perceptions of what is competent though!
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Posted By Ellen E Bunting
All very interesting, for me a person is competent if they have the:
K Knowledge
A Ability
T Training
E Experience
to do the job/task they are asked to do. I know its a very simplistic view but it works for me.
EEB
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