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Posted By Rob W
I was speaking to the manager of a small fabrication company, the HSE had recently visited and raised a few concerns.
As the inspector was leaving site the manager was informed that they would return a few weeks later to carry out a full audit, the manager remarked to me that he supposed this was fairly common. I replied to him that full HSE audits are not the norm, but then got to thinking am I correct in this.
Has anybody recently been subject to a full audit by the HSE or have any idea how common they are.
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Posted By GT
Robw,
My feeling is that they are different and an inspection is not an audit.
The frequency of visits would depend on the industry type and risk factor, numbers employed, what they do, what they store, the location etc.
Is it for ISO 9000 14000 1800
There are those that are annually and others three yearly I believe again depending on status and requirements.
hope this helps
GT
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Posted By Sean Fraser
HSE don't do audits, surely?
As an enforcement body, they inspect. As a statutory authority, they can advise. But they can't audit.
You can look at an inspection as an audit though - an Improvement Notice could be seen as a minor NCR and a Prohibition Notice as a major (albeit you cannot continue until it is addressed), and they can provide guidance on how to improve - observations.
Perhaps the terminology has been mixed? Like the common error where companies think they are "accredited" to ISO9001 - no, they are registered by an accredited company. But the term has been misapplied so often now that it actually doesn't matter except to the purists (preferable term over "anoraks")
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Posted By Heather Collins
Rob
I don't ever recall having a "full audit" from HSE. I have had a number of visits in the last twelve months - reasons have included:
1. Response to a RIDDOR disease report (this was an OH Inspector)
2. Part of a specific HSE Initiative (Machinery interventions)
3. Response to an (Unfounded) anonymous letter.
4. Repeat visit to look at progress with improvements we had been making on the occasion of visit 3, which the inspector has a professional interest in and wanted to see once complete. (This was some automation we were carrying out at the time and was unconnected with the substance of visit 3)
I would very much doubt that HSE will carry out a "full audit" within the true meaning of the expression, but it's quite possible that they could look at a specific aspect or carry out a basic overview audit of the company's systems.
In response to the previous post - if this is HSE then it has nothing to do with 9001/14001/18001, all of which are nice to have but none of which are legal requirements and so aren't in HSE's jurisdiction.
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Posted By Amanda
At my previous employer we had an announced visit which last two days. This included looking at all documentation: policy, procedures, RA's SSOW's etc etc and also a tour around the site. following this they then said they would put us on to a two year inspection. which they did. I should imagine it could be along those lines.
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Posted By John Donaldson
HSE have done Audits in the past.
We had one, some years ago, which lasted 5 days and with the initial preparation and then the debrief probably another 3 days. He also spent some with our TU safety reps.
I have to say the inspector was happy with what he found and had very few comments to make.
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Posted By Rakesh Maharaj
They do if there is reason to do so e.g. public interest matter, history of fatalities, company with a persistently poor safety record etc. I recently represented a company within a high hazard sector on a 5 day (9 inspector) audit. No action was taken.
Regards
R
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