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#1 Posted : 16 August 2007 22:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Hi any LOLER experts out there? particularly from the HSE. Is an industrial Sack Barrow, i.e one that can lift 150-250 KG Classified as lifting equipment under LOLER? If so why? All responses greatly received.
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#2 Posted : 16 August 2007 22:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Daniel Absolutely not!!!!!!!! What "Lifting elements" would need "Through examination". The handles?????!!!!! It transports. It does not lift.
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#3 Posted : 17 August 2007 10:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh I think that it is work equipment and so comes under PUWER.
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#4 Posted : 17 August 2007 15:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin D Forbes PUWER
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#5 Posted : 19 August 2007 11:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By David A Cooper No, but loading it probably comes under the Manual Handling Regs
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#6 Posted : 20 August 2007 09:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Les Welling PUWER
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#7 Posted : 20 August 2007 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By CHELSKI Hi chaps think that you are mising the point here. A sack barrow does require you to lift the load as when you tip it back the load is lifted from the floor, so technically fulfills the term of "lifting",thus I believe it is lifting equipment,(answering this under my work log in details). If anyone disagrees with this please tell me why. Whilst I understand the requirements of PUWER, I am not 100% convinced that a Sack Barrow should be inspected according to PUWER hence my question. Many thanks Adam
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#8 Posted : 20 August 2007 12:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By ddraigice The answer is in the ACoP. The load does not substantially leave the ground therefore it is not a lifting operation or lifting equipment. The guidance says: "The regs are aimed primarily at the type of equipment which was covered by previous lifting legislation, i.e. cranes. lifts and hoists, chains, ropes, slings, shackles and eyebolts.... Not covered, for example, is winching a load on level ground as the load does not leave the ground" So no it doesn't. It's PUWER as already suggested.
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#9 Posted : 20 August 2007 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Daniel Chelski: This is rubbish. You should be well aware of the mess that LOLER created in failing to properly define lifting equipment. If you aren't, find out. If I wanted I could make out a technical case that lifting a teaspoon full of sugar to sweeten my tea is a "lifting operation" involving "lifting equipment" (the spoon) but any court would laugh you out of the door. A sack truck lacks features key to "proper" lifting equipment, such as a lifting mechanism. It's primary purpose to to convey, not to lift. Read the ACOP carefully. Perhaps you should ask the insurers how many companies they visit to carry out "thorough examinations" of sack trucks at???????
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#10 Posted : 21 August 2007 11:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glen Coe I agree with PUWER for the barrow and Manual Handling Regs for the operation of the barrow. It is a mechanical handling aide not lifting equipment. I do not believe it could be considered as an Lifting appliance due to its simplicity, as is the crowbar, nor a lifting accessory as it does not attach the load to a lifting appliance. Also consider the lowly wheelbarrow would require load testing and LOLER training.
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#11 Posted : 21 August 2007 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By alex mccreadie This one could go on for ever . I am sure LOLER and the ACOPS rule the sack truck out. Common sense must prevail as stated a teaspoon then a shovel for ground workers then an excavator where do you stop? PUWER and a basic inspection should suffice. My Opinion Alex
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#12 Posted : 21 August 2007 12:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Absolutely, 100%, cast iron, NOT LOLER.
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