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Posted By D smith
Do any of you ever think there will come a time when these become compulsory as im trying to sell the idea to my bosses but am looking for good reasons to do so.
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Posted By Taff2
I presume you mean HSG65 or OHSAS 18000 in your question, since every company has a H&S management system - even if this is to ignore H&S.
My opinion - NO, not in next 10 years+
Compulsory by HSE / HSC - unlikely.
Deemed as best practice by insurance companies - possibly, but the HSG65 or OHSAS 18000 may be too generic for their requirements
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Posted By CFT
Well, I suppose if you don't call it either of the above we already have it in place, perhaps not as a direct absolute but never-the-less it is and has been around for sometime.
The Health and Safety At Work Act (HASAWA) 1974 says that: "It shall be the duty of every employer to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the health, safety and welfare at work of all his employees". More recently, Regulation 4 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work (MHSW) Regulations 1999 lays down that every employer shall make arrangements for the "effective planning, organisation, control, monitoring and review of the preventive and protective measures".
Whilst I would be the first to agree it is not telling you that you 'must' have HSG 65 or similar in place it does effectively place the onus on a company to have some kind of management system in place for occupational H&S purposes at any rate; again, if you take Section 2(3) of HASAWA which requires every organisation with five or more employees to have a written health and safety policy, one is effectively creating a partial H&S management system via this absolute duty.There are of course many more prescriptive absolutes throughout the entire legislative demands placed upon employers and individuals, in my book therefore I am satisfied that we have been legislatively required to have one for many years.
I know I'm twisting your original question, but hey what, I'm only interpreting the question to suit the answer.
All the best
CFT
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Posted By Darren (Daz) Fraser
They may not become compulsory, but I can see in the future more and more companies looking at adopting some form of recognised system and where possible having it audited by a 3rd party purely for contract winning / business purposes.
Many companies are starting to use supplier questionnaires at the tendering stage, asking if the tender has a recognised and 3rd party audit ted quality, environmental and safety management system(s) in place. The more in place , the higher the rating, the greater the chance of winning the tender.
I believe that some countries actually specify that an employer must comply with a particular standard as a legal requirement, so it may come in but I do not believe it will be for at least 10 - 15 years.
As previously mentioned it has been insinuated since 1974, and again in 1992, but how many small companies (less than 25) have the time, money or expertise to put one in place, and if their hire a consultant to put one in place it may not be suitable , some that I have audited have been blatant off the shelf packages with just the company name inserted, and did not in any way reflect the business it was supposedly for, however the owner was quite proud that they had something in place, until it was pointed out that what was in place was inadequate to say the least.
There may even come a time when the insurance companies offer greater discounts than they do already for an accredited system.
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Posted By Tarquin Farquor
Highlight the benifits of implimenting an effective health and safety management system and sell the business case, may work better than arguements based on 'you have to because its the law'.
Good luck.
Regards,
TF
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Playing Devil's Advocate, I would argue that there is a legal requirement for a 'management system', ie MHSW Regs - specifically Reg 5 and also 6&7.
Regards
Ray
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Posted By Colin Reeves
I would mention that some industries already have a mandatory requirement for a formal Safety Management System - I know of the marine industry where no ships can operate internationally (and many domestically) unless there is a formal ISM (International Safety Management) system in place auditable by governmental bodies or nominated bodies under governmental authority - suspect aviation may be similar.
Colin
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