Posted By Jimmy R I think if you were to speak with the householder you may find they will bag them without further action being required. If they were to then continue however you would be in a far stronger position to refuse collection on health grounds.

Posted By Stupendous Man I don't really see much difference between some baby poo and unwrapped rotting food in a bin. Unless the refuse collectors have to manually sort through the bin I don't see that there is a problem.

Posted By Son of SkyWalker One issue I can think of that may cause a health hazard would be following a polio vaccination. Live polio virus can be found in the faeces for a period of time afterwards. This could also be said for many enteric bacteria / viruses. Health hazard yes potentially. Stopping the pick-up unacceptable. Raising the issue with the householder to achieve the best outcome is the way forward. Lets not forget that the adult/child who uses the nappies/incontenance pads etc may have a medical condition. To ban an uplift may bring DDA into the issue. Many Local Authorities, if not all, work with households to achieve the best uplift program to help in medical cases. Son of Skywalker

Posted By GT Margia, Why would you want to respond to such a question from a councillor.?? Regards GT

Posted By Crim Son of Skywalker, Thanks but I already tried that one. They will not budge from the 2 weekly collection, that's why they promised the extra, larger size bins. Our nappies are also medical, and they know we are a "disabled family" but that means nothing to the LA.

Posted By Crim Hi, I contacted the local councillor who put me onto the LA.

Posted By Stupendous Man GT, Having worked in local government, Councillors questions have to be answered!! And you'd be surprised sometimes as to the types of question you get asked!

Posted By Paul Leadbetter Aidan There is no need to shout! Paul

Posted By ddraigice As already mentioned... the risk is from binmen trawlng through any waste, irrespective of whether it's human, animal, food or broken glass/needles/sharps etc. Just don't do it. Problem solved. And I didnt even have to shout.

Posted By Farmer Why not look at the actual risk to binmens health -- the nappy waste is contained in lidded bin or plastic sack and not physically handled by bin men - a spillage of a bin or sack could be a concern so the bagging of such waste is a must - if this bag bursts disposable gloves would suffice I hope that this is not another bonkers conkers issue that is being confused as safety matter where smells and hygiene associated with nappies is being taken up as a safety concern - come get a grip on the key issues - clinical waste my A**E Taff

Posted By Robert K Lewis At the end of the day one could always get the councillor interested in running a campaign to get CT payers to swop to environmentally friendly reusable nappies. Disposables take 150 years+ to break down and use a lot of CO2 and raw materials to produce. Councillors should be asking the difficult questions - not simply acceptiong the advice and words of full time officers. It is all too easy to slip into the "I am the professional mode" and not consider the inner question that might be voiced by the inquirer. Bob

Posted By Robert K Lewis So which is the best means - Continued filling up of landfill or wash the nappies? If things are equal re-usable has to be best does it not? It is strange how the precautionary principle can be waived by researchers when it suits them not to follow a particular route to its logical conclusion. Bob

Posted By Aidan Toner As requested ....quiet and reasoned .....no shouting... I simply point out that Environmental Legislation (Not H/S Legislation) considers this human waste as worthy of specific controls.ie,Specific waste streaming,documentation,dedicated transport,appropriate vehicles,seperate place and manner of deposition. Most respondents so far have offered a -Keep it in a wheelie bin and dont go diving in- proposal. Items to consider- -All GB is not on an enclosed container lift with some estimates being 30-40% loose bag collection still remaining. -Collectors have to deal with bagged human waste from commercial sectors,Leisure Centres,Shopping Centres. -Collectors have to deal with 'unowned' waste deposited in public receptacles in public areas. -Collector exposure happens via air borne contact during loading and compaction cycle, fluid leakage into garage storage bays,exposure during vehicle clean down operations or vehicle hopper repairs. Direct and indirect contact on a scattered landfill face.(NB-Landfill scatter does of course extend exposure possibility to local and wider community) In relation to human waste, there have been obvious strong arm 'Environmental Controls' placed on waste outlets to reduce risk to air, water and soil.Why cant a few robust 'Health And Safety Controls' be imposed on waste outlets to reduce risk exposure to the refuse collector.?? As I said before, I suspect the answer is nobody cares about him/her.Maybe enough people are not shouting. (Health And Safety Officer To a Local Authority-)

Posted By Paul Leadbetter Thanks, Aidan Paul

Posted By Aidan Toner Hopefully I'm not straying too far from original subject. Should Europe and GB suffer the flu pandemic which so much national and local planning is being put in place for........would society continue to tolerate human waste being included in the general household waste stream.??????? I suspect a separate and dedicated waste stream would be one of the 1st measures to be implemented.

Posted By Tarquin Farquor db, Yes I have, two of which are currently under 4. I don't think that parents force children to stay in nappies. Some parents engage in potty / toilet training earlier than others. I'm also aware that some parents delay the onset of potty / toilet training for inappropriate reasons. If all parents commenced potty / toilet training at the most appropriate stage in the child's development then the earlier they will be out of nappies, therefore reducing the number used. Regards, TF