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Posted By Bill Morrison
Having attended a number of IOSH courses over the last 12 months, I wondered if any others shared the same views. These courses especially the two day ones are often on a Thursday and Friday. The issue I have is that no matter how interesting the course is it seems that everyone, trainers included are keen to get away early on the Friday due to issues around travelling and often quite long distances when motorways are normally at their worst.
The other issue is that you often find the course providers trying to cram in as much as they can on the Friday in order to cover the subject matter in time.
Would it not be better to try and schedule course/s on any other day than a Friday
Bill
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Posted By Hazel Harvey
Bill,
Unfortunately there are only so many days in a week. As you will appreciate IOSH run quite a range of courses and they are scheduled throughout the week, you have obviously picked ones that fall at the end of the week.
However, I have noted this and will ask the course planners to try and schedule some similar courses (we normally run a course at least twice a year)at opposite ends of the week.
Hazel Harvey
Director of Professional Affairs
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Posted By Donk
Hi Bill
I can assure you that not all training providers do this, i work for a company which recognise the fact that most companies finish early on a Friday.
Maybe you should seek a new provider.
Regards.
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Posted By Hazel Harvey
Donk,
IOSH offer a range of courses that are not often available from other providers. In fact within the IOSH programme we have removed the more standard type courses in favour of the more topic specific type. These are often run at a loss for small numbers of IOSH members as it is the only place that they are available, hence the range of courses that are offered and the scheduling difficulties that occur with limited facilities.
Your comment is therfore not very relevant to the original question posed by Bill.
Hazel Harvey
Director of Professional Affairs
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Posted By Philip McAleenan
Hazel, Bill,
There are many excellent courses available on the market with providers who will work with companies to deliver programs specifically tailored to the company’s and trainee’s needs, including the timing of the course, venue, content, levels of assessment and accreditation. IOSH also offers this type of service so there should be no problems with flexibility.
As with purchasing any product or service value for money is obtained when a company looks around and reviews what is available and purchases that which best meets their needs. There is no program or topic so unique that providers other than IOSH do not offer it. And indeed it is a fundamental tenet of IOSH and its members to advise employers and clients of the best sources of training etc.
Go ahead Bill, talk with your providers and raise these concerns directly with them. Ask them to design their schedules etc. to meet your requirements. Talk with other providers and let each of them know what your are doing, after all there’s nothing like a bit of competition to get the best deal.
At the end of the day, you are the one who has to apply the training and if you know that there was something shoddy about a course or how it was delivered but purchased it none the less, well …
Regards, Philip
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Posted By Hazel Harvey
Philip,
I think you will note that I didn't say there weren't other providers. What I said was that IOSH identify topics that are not well covered and difficult to source and will if necessary run these at a loss. It is unlikely that other providers will be able to do this as they are not the professional body, which is particularly trying to respond to its members needs.
IOSH is able to do this as it is Council policy to run the programme in our CPD brochure as a break even venture so that one course will subsidise another. We employ consultants who are usually commercial providers to deliver the courses at their normal payment rates so some of the course we stage are very expensive (particularly for the legal ones) but all are priced at a fixed fee for delegates.All IOSH courses are run under our ISO9001 accreditation system and are overseen by our CPD Sub-Committee with 'mystery shoppers' attending the courses on a regular basis.
So problems like that mentioned by Bill are dealt with by a very formalised method.
Digressing its worth mentioned here that CPD is not just about attending courses it is mainly about recognising development within normal working practises. There is a misconception that there is a requirement to 'do' courses which is not true. The IOSH workshop style programmes were developed at the request of
members and are still being used by a considerable number (over 1000 last year). However, should it be the case that these are no longer required in this this format then we will cease to offer them.
So courses from any provider are acceptable as a CPD activity and you should choose what suits you best.
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Posted By John Watson
Completely agree with Hazel on this. As a provider of alternative courses I recognise the value of the offering IOSH Makes to its members as a complement to ours and others courses. If the issue of Fridays is that important, with every respect I believe you attended the course for the wrong reason, as it is what you learn and take in that is key, not whether you are faced with a long drive home.
Regards
John
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Posted By Bill Morrison
John,
I attended the course for all the right reasons and have always been very happy with the standards of IOSH courses. I merely raised an issue that I thought needed to be raised for discussion.
Bill
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Posted By John Watson
Bill
Having reread my post I should like to apologize if I caused offence, none was intended, and agree a healthy discussion is important.
John
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Posted By Ian D.
Hi
I agree with Bill, in an ideal world Friday would not be use Friday for training course.
I attended a training course at the Grange which finished 4.00 Friday, it took me over 4 hours to travel up the M1 for a journey that would normally have been 1 1/2 hours.
I personally will avoid Fridays in the future
Ian
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Posted By Aidan Toner
Extending the thread of 'Geographical Suitability Of IOSH HQ For Courses' my recollection was that there were plans to offer more of these courses in the regions. Obviously Fridays, motorways, hotel stop overs and planes (Republic, N.Ireland, Scotland,)then becomes less relevant.
The hassle factor in arranging these courses shouldn't be too difficult as this could and should be an important function for Branches and Specialist Groups.
Maybe Hazel can update and elaborate on this.???
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